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Re: One bang one process.

#4101  Postby romansh » Feb 03, 2023 5:48 pm

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I'm all out striving for the answers.

No, you are not.
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Re: One bang one process.

#4102  Postby BWE » Feb 03, 2023 7:00 pm

I love Thich Nhat Hahn. He understood systems and complexity before almost anyone else.
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Re: One bang one process.

#4103  Postby romansh » Feb 04, 2023 5:39 pm

BWE wrote:I love Thich Nhat Hahn. He understood systems and complexity before almost anyone else.

I am far from sure about that... is not the Buddhist concept of dependent origination all about that complexity?
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Re: One bang one process.

#4104  Postby BWE » Feb 04, 2023 6:43 pm

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BWE wrote:I love Thich Nhat Hahn. He understood systems and complexity before almost anyone else.

I am far from sure about that... is not the Buddhist concept of dependent origination all about that complexity?

It is. And your point is taken. Both he and tha Dalai Lama though participated in public discussions about science which is decidedly a modern thing and both put forward a very clear systems view perspective.

I am not really any kind of an "ist" Buddhist or materialist or whatever, but my leanings are decidedly oward a Buddhist way of describing and internalizing experience.
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Re: One bang one process.

#4105  Postby romansh » Feb 04, 2023 7:38 pm

I don't think science denies a systems perspective either. Science if anything tries to simplify systems to understand the inner workings and if it can put it back together again. I am not saying you said science denies complexity in that evolutionary biology and ecology are undeniably complex.

When we can't put a system back together again eg the gravitational behaviour of some galaxies and the universe at large then this becomes a boundary of understanding.
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Re: One bang one process.

#4106  Postby BWE » Feb 05, 2023 12:24 am

romansh wrote:I don't think science denies a systems perspective either. Science if anything tries to simplify systems to understand the inner workings and if it can put it back together again. I am not saying you said science denies complexity in that evolutionary biology and ecology are undeniably complex.

When we can't put a system back together again eg the gravitational behaviour of some galaxies and the universe at large then this becomes a boundary of understanding.

IMO, the notions of reductionism and holism are important aspects of science. A limit of understanding in a reductionist framework lands everywhere complexity and nonlinearity intervene but that doesn't mean that, just because one mode of understanding breaks down, that other modes can't apply.
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Re: One bang one process.

#4107  Postby pfrankinstein » Feb 07, 2023 5:24 pm

romansh wrote:
pfrankinstein wrote:
I'm all out striving for the answers.

No, you are not.




Does "science all out strive for answers?

Any sign of "striving in a protoplentary disc.

From one "extreme to another" and the question of "striving in biology?

My fiction. To place a phenominon into context of its own. >>>


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Re: One bang one process.

#4108  Postby pfrankinstein » Feb 07, 2023 6:11 pm

Spearthrower wrote:http://www.rationalskepticism.org/pseudoscience/one-bang-one-process-t20880-280.html#p846440

The actual person unable to get off first base.

12 years ago, and still making all the same mistakes, still with the same gaping flaws in reasoning, still with the same absence of support.

The only thing that's changed is that his posts have become less coherent, somehow.


My "chart showing the movement of "selection reduces yours to a fiction.

You treated NS as a metophor. A big mistake.

The further you move way from " item... The more clearly observed.

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Re: One bang one process.

#4109  Postby pfrankinstein » Feb 07, 2023 6:20 pm

thrower still with the same absence of support.snip

You want evidence of Primal selection?

Evidence of a cosmos?

You want evidence of a type of selection before NS.

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Re: One bang one process.

#4110  Postby romansh » Feb 07, 2023 6:40 pm

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Does "science all out strive for answers?

The answer from you to the question that I am currently striving for is "Do snowflakes replicate?"
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Re: One bang one process.

#4111  Postby pfrankinstein » Feb 07, 2023 8:02 pm

romansh wrote:
pfrankinstein wrote:
Does "science all out strive for answers?

The answer from you to the question that I am currently striving for is "Do snowflakes replicate?"


Mark Twain once said that “History never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme.”

Does Primordial evolution rhyme sufficiantly enough to be recognised a related precursor to biological evolution "

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Re: One bang one process.

#4112  Postby pfrankinstein » Feb 07, 2023 8:30 pm

romansh wrote:
BWE wrote:To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour


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I'd be off piste and irrationale except I'm within the scope of reason with a logical train.

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Re: One bang one process.

#4113  Postby Greg the Grouper » Feb 08, 2023 1:45 am

pfrankinstein wrote:
romansh wrote:
pfrankinstein wrote:
Does "science all out strive for answers?

The answer from you to the question that I am currently striving for is "Do snowflakes replicate?"


Mark Twain once said that “History never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme.”

Does Primordial evolution rhyme sufficiantly enough to be recognised a related precursor to biological evolution "

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Why do you sound so much like Kent Hovind when you discuss evolution?
The evolution of intelligence has gone beyond the restrains of biological individual generations.
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Re: One bang one process.

#4114  Postby fluttermoth » Feb 08, 2023 3:29 am

pfrankinstein wrote:
romansh wrote:
pfrankinstein wrote:
Does "science all out strive for answers?

The answer from you to the question that I am currently striving for is "Do snowflakes replicate?"


Mark Twain once said that “History never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme.”

Does Primordial evolution rhyme sufficiantly enough to be recognised a related precursor to biological evolution "

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Could you just answer the fricking question? :roll:
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Re: One bang one process.

#4115  Postby TopCat » Feb 08, 2023 2:19 pm

I'm starting to think that the people that are still engaging with Paul on this thread are the idiots.
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Re: One bang one process.

#4116  Postby fluttermoth » Feb 09, 2023 1:57 am

TopCat wrote:I'm starting to think that the people that are still engaging with Paul on this thread are the idiots.


:oops:

(You're probably right, but I'm stuck at home with nothing to do a lot of the time, and I do learn a lot from the other posters :) )
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Re: One bang one process.

#4117  Postby pfrankinstein » Feb 10, 2023 9:56 pm

TopCat wrote:I'm starting to think that the people that are still engaging with Paul on this thread are the idiots.


Can you suppose TC?

Suppose the big bang started a single process and the single process is the phenominon we call Evolution.

Evolution... use of the single word was Evolution was abhorrent to Charles Darwin, his preffered terminology was to describe the phenominon as "The process of descent with modification by means of Natural Selection. Consise by mechanism.A Process.

How totaly outlandish am I to propose what ammounts to the "most basic premise- One Bang One process that process to be Evolution.

Tell me TC do you envisage NS as a calculation made by nature or do you see it as Analogy?


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Re: One bang one process.

#4118  Postby pfrankinstein » Feb 10, 2023 10:03 pm

TopCat wrote:I'm starting to think that the people that are still engaging with Paul on this thread are the idiots.


No type of "selection" known to man was making selection before Darwins Natural selection.

That strikes me as very odd. How about you TC?

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Re: One bang one process.

#4119  Postby pfrankinstein » Feb 10, 2023 10:19 pm

Greg the Grouper wrote:
pfrankinstein wrote:
romansh wrote:
pfrankinstein wrote:
Does "science all out strive for answers?

The answer from you to the question that I am currently striving for is "Do snowflakes replicate?"


Mark Twain once said that “History never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme.”

Does Primordial evolution rhyme sufficiantly enough to be recognised a related precursor to biological evolution "

Paul.


Why do you sound so much like Kent Hovind when you discuss evolution?


I've not googled him. Did he propose a shaking of Darwin's tree of life?

Do you suppose if Darwin was alive today ; he may reason the bang as a kind of ultimate ancestor.

The primordial process of evolution. Descent with modification by means of Primal selection. The cosmos.

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Re: One bang one process.

#4120  Postby romansh » Feb 10, 2023 10:42 pm

pfrankinstein wrote:
I've not googled him.

Have you had a chance to google whether snowflakes replicate?
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