One bang one process.

pfrankinstein · **#4261** by **pfrankinstein** » Mar 19, 2023 5:56 pm

THWOTH wrote:Meh. At this point saying the same thing over and over again in the hope of eliciting a different response is a redundant exercise in self-authentication. You really don't need to validate your philosophy with the agreement of others - and yet you try, try again, and again, and forlornly again. How's that working out for you Paul?

Is it 'science or a philosopy' my theory?

Paul.

pfrankinstein · **#4262** by **pfrankinstein** » Mar 19, 2023 6:27 pm

THWOTH wrote:Meh. At this point saying the same thing over and over again in the hope of eliciting a different response is a redundant exercise in self-authentication. You really don't need to validate your philosophy with the agreement of others - and yet you try, try again, and again, and forlornly again. How's that working out for you Paul?

Is it 'fiction philoopy or scienece my theory sir?

But then I broadly divide by "ultimate types" Material enviroment both.

To the rational mind clearly a calculation. A single line of occrence remember.

The prominant factors visulised " totally divided" whist accepting that they blend together and project my reality.

Paul.

pfrankinstein · **#4263** by **pfrankinstein** » Mar 19, 2023 7:54 pm

Self -authentication..

With your imagination you can ask Charles Darwin a question, (Einstein quote).

Mr Darwin, this 'evolution theory you propose sir, what exactly is it?

Perhaps I lead, but then you have to remember the time of the man, take all into acount with unbiased innocence, hear his reply.

Paul.

romansh · **#4264** by **romansh** » Mar 19, 2023 8:36 pm

With your alleged theory can tell us what it explains and predicts?

and whilst we are at it ... Do snowflakes replicate?

THWOTH · **#4265** by **THWOTH** » Mar 20, 2023 1:04 pm

pfrankinstein wrote:
THWOTH wrote:Meh. At this point saying the same thing over and over again in the hope of eliciting a different response is a redundant exercise in self-authentication. You really don't need to validate your philosophy with the agreement of others - and yet you try, try again, and again, and forlornly again. How's that working out for you Paul?

Is it 'fiction philoopy or scienece my theory sir?

But then I broadly divide by "ultimate types" Material enviroment both.

To the rational mind clearly a calculation. A single line of occrence remember.

The prominant factors visulised " totally divided" whist accepting that they blend together and project my reality.

Paul.

O repetition becomes you.
Manifest your desire,
that forlorn truth but a pale wish upon a stale breeze,
stirring no leaf upon Life's tree,
yet rotting all fruit upon its bows.

pfrankinstein · **#4266** by **pfrankinstein** » Mar 21, 2023 4:04 pm

THWOTH wrote:
pfrankinstein wrote:
THWOTH wrote:Meh. At this point saying the same thing over and over again in the hope of eliciting a different response is a redundant exercise in self-authentication. You really don't need to validate your philosophy with the agreement of others - and yet you try, try again, and again, and forlornly again. How's that working out for you Paul?

Is it 'fiction philoopy or scienece my theory sir?

But then I broadly divide by "ultimate types" Material enviroment both.

To the rational mind clearly a calculation. A single line of occrence remember.

The prominant factors visulised " totally divided" whist accepting that they blend together and project my reality.

Paul.

O repetition becomes you.
Manifest your desire,
that forlorn truth but a pale wish upon a stale breeze,
stirring no leaf upon Life's tree,
yet rotting all fruit upon its bows.

Be that Apple fermenting.-
Thinking. ,..
Does the conception slowly dawn only time will tell. Of anything.
Yay. A battle of perceptions.

How do you perceive the article, The sample, .Reality.
Did you dig in the dirt to find the answer.
Archology well tested.
By projection A one size fits all "type answer mine.
Try to envisage anything that is not "evolving.
Paul.

pfrankinstein · **#4267** by **pfrankinstein** » Mar 21, 2023 6:20 pm

What is Evolution?

Suppose students and experts answer in unison with the same unequivocal answer.

For that to happen the proposal would have to be accepeted as a fundamental Law.

The difference between a knee jerk reaction ; answer; and the reality.

What is evolution?

Paul.

THWOTH · **#4268** by **THWOTH** » Mar 22, 2023 12:41 am

pfrankinstein wrote:What is Evolution?

Why do you repeat this question to which you are already quite certain you have the answer?

romansh · **#4269** by **romansh** » Mar 22, 2023 3:43 am

ev·o·lu·tion

noun: evolution; plural noun: evolutions

1. the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth.

2. the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form.
"the forms of written languages undergo constant evolution"

3. CHEMISTRY the giving off of a gaseous product, or of heat.
"the evolution of oxygen occurs rapidly in this process"

4. a pattern of movements or maneuvers.
"silk ribbons waving in fanciful evolutions"

5. DATED•MATHEMATICS the extraction of a root from a given quantity.

and?

What does your theory explain and predict? What does your theory say about snowflakes replicating?

pfrankinstein · **#4270** by **pfrankinstein** » Mar 22, 2023 7:31 pm

Method:

To reduce the formidable phenominon everybody calls " Evolution to its baseline meaning.

To define the phenominon and dispense with "slang terminology. 155 years of slang. Enough.

The proposal Evolution is a "process" is widely accepted, so I have nothing to prove.

Some set no stall by the nugget ; me I see A valid line of enquiry. Evolution = process. A possible law.

A perfectly rational line of enquiry.

Some may see me as merely regurgitating Darwinian sentences lables a phrases.

in fact The reason I echo Darwin is to show the relation between the seperate "chapter processes.

Of prominence, the factor NS. Of prominence the laws of physics = Primal selection.

Treated as the result; a calculation made by Nature. Natural selection can be used As a pivot.

One can ask what other prominant types of selection explain your reality.

Do you see how " human selection becomes relevant. OF prominance.

No mix up in my mind. Artificial selection is human selection. :naughty:

The actual chronological "observation is as I have explained. Look at it as refreshing update. :cheers:

Time out for a while. Thankyou.

Paul.

Cito di Pense · **#4271** by **Cito di Pense** » Mar 23, 2023 8:03 am

pfrankinstein wrote:Of prominence the laws of physics = Primal selection.

Ah, OK. The laws of physics select what they select. Easy. Department of Tautology Department. If you can't identify what is not selected by the laws of physics, then your "primal selection" as laws of physics is just pure bullshit. Try again. But do take a break. Take a few years, if you need.

pfrankinstein · **#4272** by **pfrankinstein** » Mar 24, 2023 8:41 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
pfrankinstein wrote:Of prominence the laws of physics = Primal selection.

Ah, OK. The laws of physics select what they select. Easy. Department of Tautology Department. If you can't identify what is not selected by the laws of physics then your "primal selection" as laws of physics is just pure bullsh

Please try to be civil good sir. I blame myself.

In primary school I had a teacher, Mr cook. During drama lessons he would shout "freeze," all the class would stand motionless.

Nebula, spiral galaxies, planetary disc , star formation pulsar, frozen.

Or you could just look at a picture.

What is Primal selection? The frozen point from where you reverse engineer from.

...............needs work.....bah.

Imagine a time when it was belived Charles Darwin's NS came from nowhere. :cheers:

Yes the laws of physics and chemistry underscores everything.

A type of dominoe relience exists.

NS is reliant on the stability of Primal selection.

Fact of the matter, you can not have NS without time, no biological generations without " time. "

And time comes under the study of?

Paul

pfrankinstein · **#4273** by **pfrankinstein** » Mar 24, 2023 9:03 pm

romansh wrote:With your alleged theory can tell us what it explains and predicts?

and whilst we are at it ... Do snowflakes replicate?

If you mean hypothosis say so.

I'm useing Darwinian principles as a measure, in that regard it is an "organon.

Each snowflake by its own unique but simular set of circumstances. Place and point in time.

? PaUl.

pfrankinstein · **#4274** by **pfrankinstein** » Mar 24, 2023 9:18 pm

THWOTH wrote:
pfrankinstein wrote:What is Evolution?

Why do you repeat this question to which you are already quite certain you have the answer?

Apparently Evolution relates to biology and speciation Only. That is what is taught.

By observation I understand that Evolution according to Darwin was a process with a mechanism, that chapter is viewed as being obsolete. An irrelevance. point being a chapter is missed, forgotten skipped.

Sloppy science by slang.

Get real.

Paul.

pfrankinstein · **#4275** by **pfrankinstein** » Mar 24, 2023 9:55 pm

THWOTH wrote:
pfrankinstein wrote:What is Evolution?

Why do you repeat this question to which you are already quite certain you have the answer?

The knee jerk answer from a university student, in the main, biology speciation.

You only have to listen to the ?experts in the forum.

Children in primary school are taught Evolution Is a process. (Cited.)

Ping.. Charles Darwin's initial rationale subconsciously mirrored in the way the lesson is taught to a child.

A missing chapter of understanding discarded, marked as irrelivent.

The origin of the leading theory in Science today forgotten. . You people..

What is Evolution?

According to charles Darwin "evolution" is descent with modification by means of NS. Viz a viz a process.

Paul.

pfrankinstein · **#4276** by **pfrankinstein** » Mar 25, 2023 1:00 am

notebook.

What is the difference between "human selection and "Artificial selection?

To extract the type of "selection" employed of article in question, I preface() the question with the phrase "By what means?

Paul.

pfrankinstein · **#4277** by **pfrankinstein** » Mar 25, 2023 1:39 am

pfrankinstein wrote:notebook.

What is the difference between "human selection and "Artificial selection?

To extract the type of "selection" employed of article in question, I preface() the question with the phrase "By what means?

Paul.

THWOTH · **#4278** by **THWOTH** » Mar 25, 2023 12:01 pm

pfrankinstein wrote:
THWOTH wrote:
pfrankinstein wrote:What is Evolution?

Why do you repeat this question to which you are already quite certain you have the answer?

Apparently Evolution relates to biology and speciation Only. That is what is taught.

By observation I understand that Evolution according to Darwin was a process with a mechanism, that chapter is viewed as being obsolete. An irrelevance. point being a chapter is missed, forgotten skipped.

Sloppy science by slang.

Get real.

Paul.

Evolution is particular feature of certain type of complex adaptive systems. Contrary to your premise, a simplification of evolution by definition merely impoverishes the concept rather than enhancing or expanding it. Beware Paul - good, solid, robust science is not forwarded by sophistry.

romansh · **#4279** by **romansh** » Mar 25, 2023 6:19 pm

pfrankinstein wrote:
Each snowflake by its own unique but simular set of circumstances. Place and point in time.

OK, But do they replicate?

pfrankinstein · **#4280** by **pfrankinstein** » Mar 26, 2023 1:36 pm

romansh wrote:ChatGPT in action:
Is this an accurate description for Darwinian evolution: it requires a system that 1) replicates, 2) there are small variations in the replication process, 3) The environment favours only some of the replicates?

Yes, that is a generally accurate description of the basic process of Darwinian evolution.

First, there must be a system that can replicate, such as organisms or genes. Second, there must be variation in the replication process, which can arise through errors in DNA replication, mutations, or recombination. This variation creates differences between the replicates.

Third, the environment must provide selective pressure, such that only certain variations are favored. For example, if a particular trait confers a survival advantage, individuals with that trait are more likely to survive and pass on their genes, leading to an increase in the frequency of that trait in the population over time.

These three factors - replication with variation and selective pressure from the environment - are the basic ingredients of Darwinian evolution, which can lead to the gradual accumulation of changes in populations over generations.
The process I just descibed said nothing about the system being biological.

You're absolutely right. The process I described could apply to any system that replicates and has variation subject to selective pressure from the environment, not just biological systems. In fact, the principles of Darwinian evolution have been applied to other systems, such as computer algorithms and even cultural practices. The key idea is that any system that can replicate with variation subject to selective pressure can undergo a process of evolution by natural selection. Thank you for pointing out the need for clarification.

Is snowflake formation Darwinian evolution?

No, snowflake formation is not an example of Darwinian evolution. ...

Amazing ... a coherent discussion.

first off. Before replication the process of Evolution must have the means to store and pass on "knowledge.

The formation of solar systems clearly shows signs of " knowledge stored and passed on.

You argue that the process is defined by having the ability to procreate, replicate. Biology. A complex system only.

Exactly where did the "complex system you understand come from?

My base value of what defines the phenominon is different to yours.

....... Paul.

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