In the early years of the last century, CG Jung, (psychiatrist) had Einstein as
a dinner guest on several occasions. There was something in the conversations
that led Jung to think about "psychic relativity" - i.e., the ability of "mind" to
transcend space and time. So Jung credits Einstein for that implanted thought.
Many years later, (1932) Jung met the physicist Professor W. Pauli, an associate
of Einstein, ( It was Einstein who nominated Pauli for the Nobel Prize, which Pauli
received in 1945, for discovering the neutrino particle). The letters between Jung
and Pauli, were published under title, "atom and archetype" - 1932 to 1958....

The main thrust to Jung's idea of a pre-existent psyche, is the nature of 'number'
as the most primal archetype of order in the human mind. And as Pauli said:
"our primary mathematical intuitions can be arranged before we become conscious
of them."

Appropriate comments:

Since the remotest times men have used number to establish
meaningful coincidences, that is, coincidences that can be
interpreted.

There is something peculiar, one might even say mysterious
about numbers. They have never been entirely robbed of their
numinous aura. If, so a textbook of mathematics tell us, a
group of objects is deprived of every single one of its
properties or characteristics, there still remains, at the end,
its number, which seems to indicate that number is something
irreducible.

The sequence of natural numbers turns out to be unexpectedly
more than a mere stringing together of identical units; it
contains the whole of mathematics and everything yet to be
discovered in this field.

Number, therefore, is in one sense an unpredictable entity.

It is generally believed that numbers were invented, or thought
out by man, and are therefore nothing but concepts of quantities
containing nothing that was not previously put into them by the
human intellect. But it is equally possible that numbers were
found or discovered.. In that case they are not only concepts
but something more-autonomous entities which somehow contain
more than just quantities.

Unlike concepts, they are based not on any psychic conditions
but on the quality of being themselves, on a “so-ness” that
cannot be expressed by an intellectual concept.

Under these conditions they might easily be endowed with qualities
that have still to be discovered. I must confess
that I incline to the view that numbers were as much found
as invented, and that in consequence they possess a relative
autonomy analogous to that of the archetypes.

They would then have in common with the latter, the quality
of being pre-existent to consciousness, and hence, on occasion,
of conditioning it, rather than being conditioned by it.

Jung: "man has need of the word, but in essence number is sacred."

The Problem:

There is no such animal as metaphysics…......Arthur C. Clarke

Dreams are junk science….......................Alan Dershowitz

Prophecy is a lost art…...........................Carl Sagan

It’s a glorious accident….........................Stephen J. Gould


to be continued...........

BMSecond wrote:to be continued...........

We'll see.

http://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3715
http://www.dailygrail.com/stream/2010/7/How-did-Nostradamus-know-possible-answer
http://entelekk.blogspot.be/
http://www.groundreport.com/Opinion/THE-NOSTRADAMUS-CODE-EXPLAINED/2837166

BMSecond wrote:to be continued...........

Please don't.

The opening post, and I'm sure, any subsequent continuation, could be reduced to a single word - bollocks. There's a numinous aura surrounding the word 'bollocks'. It has a mysterious quality, somehow encapsulating the overall feel of something deeply stupid, and wrapping it up in an almost onomatopoeic form. Surely the word du jour, everyday.

So this entire idea can be shortened down to "Number are a weird concept right?".