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Re: Studies between Health between Vaxxed and UnvaxxEd populatio

#21  Postby Fenrir » Mar 19, 2018 8:27 am

UltimoReducto wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:The autism link claim seems to be based on a singular paper from the '90s, which has since been retracted and it's author has lost his doctor's title.

I can point to thousands of papers that are totally fraudulent and will never be retracted, ...

Go on then.
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Re: Studies between Health between Vaxxed and UnvaxxEd populatio

#22  Postby Calilasseia » Mar 19, 2018 11:03 pm

UltimoReducto wrote:The story always used to be that it was unethical to compare vaccinated versus unvaccinated, same excuse not to test GMOs. But stories always change, like how the mercury couldn’t get into your brain but now that it can it’s good for you.

This is bullshit plain and simple.

Point one: mercury has been known to be a potent neurotoxin for decades. However, in order for it to act thus, it has to enter the bloodstream in soluble form. A classic case where this happened, was the case of Karen Wetterhahn, who died a nasty death after encountering a small quantity of dimethylmercury which spilled onto her glove. At the time she was working, the gloves she was wearing were considered to be a sufficient barrier to such toxins, but dimethymercury penetrated the gloves, and then penetrated her skin, winding up in her bloodstream in soluble form. After her death, rules on laboratory protective wear were tightened, and safer alternatives to dimethylmercury for various applications were rapidly sought.

Point two: a number of mercury compounds were used as bactericides, fungicides and topical antiseptics in applications other than vaccines, for a long time, but even in those applications, which did not result in large scale emergence of mercury neurotoxicity cases, safer alternatives have been sought.

Point three: thiomersal was used in vaccines, as an antibacterial and antifungal agent, because prior to the addition of antibacterial and antifungal preservatives in vaccines, incidents arose where bacterial contamination of vaccines by virulent strains of Staphylococcus aureus resulted in deaths. Thiomersal was chosen because it is up to 50 times more effective against Staphylococcus aureus than phenol. However, in direct contradiction to the assertion by anti-vax woo pedlars, that thiomersal "causes" autistic spectrum conditions, incidence of such conditions, instead of declining in countries that removed thiomersal from vaccines, actually increased, in line with expected increase arising from improved diagnosis of cases. Furthermore, considerable research on the actual underlying neurobiology of autistic spectrum conditions, points to their origin in utero, long before the affected individuals are exposed to any vaccines. See the work of Rodier et al for more on this.

Point four, arising from the above: mercury is a gross neurotoxin, affecting every part of the brain, once it gains access to the bloodstream in sufficient doses. Autistic spectrum conditions have consistently been demonstrated to arise from specific and localised neuronal changes in the brain stem, via independently researched methods. The idea that mercury toxicity would exhibit similar localised effects, is massively at variance with the known pathology of mercury toxicity, which affects the entire brain, and results in symptoms much more severe than any connected with an autistic spectrum condition. See: Minamata Disease. Effects don't come any more severe than death (mortality rate from Minamata Disease is 35%, and in some cases occurs just weeks after the initial onset of major symptoms).

Finally, point five: deliberately withholding an established therapeutic treatment of value from children, just so that a population dynamics experiment can be run, brings us into extremely suspect ethical territory.
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