That 6X though in the charcoal stuff is no where near as diluted as normal homoeopathy nonsense stuff. That's just 1 in 106 which is quite a high level. If it was say botulinum toxin then 1 gram diluted to that would still be enough to kill 5 people.
What they don't tell you is how much of that "active" ingredient there is. It says "Carbo Vegetablis 6X" but how many mg or ug of that is there ?
That aside it appears that Carbo Vegetablis is known as "The Corpse Reviver" and can pretty well bring back the dead with claims that it can help with, yellow fever, typhus, typhoid fever, surgical shock, septic shock and heart failure.
It seems amazing in the 21st century that this nonsense gets any traction. Google for Carbo Vegetablis homeopathy and prepare to be utterly depressed by the gullibility of humanity.
The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Split
Homeopathy, Chiropractic and similar "alternative" views
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Re: The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Sp
#1801 
by byofrcs » Sep 11, 2011 7:32 am
In America the battle is between common cents distorted by profits and common sense distorted by prophets.
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Re: The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Sp
#1802 by Shrunk » Sep 11, 2011 11:34 am
Meantime, rationality seems to be prevailing in the UK:
₤122,000 is still ₤122,000 too much. But the trend is encouraging.
NHS loses taste for homeopathic medicines
By Andrew Jack
Financial Times
August 28, 2011
National Health Service support for homeopathy has slumped since the start of the millennium, with the value of prescriptions of the controversial complementary therapy last year falling to a record low of ₤122,000.
Figures prepared for the FT by the NHS Information Centre for Health and Social Care, which monitors drug costs in England, show the number of prescriptions has dropped eightfold since 2000, from 134,000 prescriptions costing ₤831,000 in 2000 to 16,359 prescriptions in 2010.
The decline points to growing NHS reluctance to support therapies for which there is no scientific explanation or rigorous proof of efficacy, at a time of intensifying cost constraints.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8c29526a-d152 ... z1XYIl34ri
₤122,000 is still ₤122,000 too much. But the trend is encouraging.
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Re: The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Split
#1803 by Darkchilde » Feb 27, 2012 1:35 pm
Okay people, let's crash Nancy's poll here: http://drnancymalik.wordpress.com/2012/02/25/polls/
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Re: The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Split
#1804 by cherries » Feb 27, 2012 1:49 pm
voted,
- Conventional 35.71% (25 votes)
- Homeopathic 60% (42 votes)
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Re: The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Split
#1805 by Paul » Feb 27, 2012 1:51 pm
I wanted to make 0.00000000000000000000000001% of a vote, but it wouldn't let me.
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Re: The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Split
#1806 by Shrunk » Feb 27, 2012 2:14 pm
Current results:
Conventional 116 votes
Woo (combined) 45 votes.
Quite the readership Nancy has there. It's almost homeopathic in scale.
Conventional 116 votes
Woo (combined) 45 votes.
Quite the readership Nancy has there. It's almost homeopathic in scale.
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Re: The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Split
#1807 by cherries » Feb 27, 2012 2:20 pm
conventional went up really fast 
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Re: The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Split
#1808 by twistor59 » Feb 27, 2012 2:27 pm
Done.
WTF is "Unani" medicine ?
Sounds like a Rihanna song
U - na - ni what's my name
U - na - ni what's my name
U - na - ni what's my name, what's my name, what's my name
WTF is "Unani" medicine ?
Sounds like a Rihanna song
U - na - ni what's my name
U - na - ni what's my name
U - na - ni what's my name, what's my name, what's my name
A soul in tension that's learning to fly
Condition grounded but determined to try
Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies
Tongue-tied and twisted just an earthbound misfit, I
Condition grounded but determined to try
Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies
Tongue-tied and twisted just an earthbound misfit, I
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Re: The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Split
#1809 by Shrunk » Feb 27, 2012 3:26 pm
Actual medicine now up to 359 votes (87.78%; I don't think we're going to need that degree of accuracy to determine the winner here.)
Homeopathy stalled at 44 votes, now below 11% (Insert obvious homeo-joke.)
Who'd have thought Nancy's regular readers were so skeptical of homeopathy?
Homeopathy stalled at 44 votes, now below 11% (Insert obvious homeo-joke.)
Who'd have thought Nancy's regular readers were so skeptical of homeopathy?
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Re: The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Split
#1810 by Paul » Feb 27, 2012 5:27 pm
Interesting. I just noticed that Nancy's avatar here had changed. She popped by last week and didn't say hello.
The poll is 768 to 45 now!
The poll is 768 to 45 now!
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Re: The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Split
#1811 by Onyx8 » Feb 27, 2012 5:54 pm
94 %
The problem with fantasies is you can't really insist that everyone else believes in yours, the other problem with fantasies is that most believers of fantasies eventually get around to doing exactly that.
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Re: Homeopathy - it just gets wackier and wackier!
#1812 by katja z » Feb 27, 2012 8:08 pm
Voted. 
Just as well there is activated carbon to help with the poisoning ...
Plants beloning to the Cinchona genus do have medicinal properties though, particularly as a source of quinine.
Animavore wrote:
So I looked up the ingredients and they were a couple of types of plants that, according to Wiki at least, have no known medicinal properties (or none mentioned). But more bizarre than the ingredients is the warning label.
EDIT: oh shit! that last plant...The root is very poisonous, with a paralyzing effect on the nervous system. In two cases of fatal poisoning from eating the seeds, the toxins veratridine and cevadine were present in the blood at 0.17–0.40 nanograms/milliliter and 0.32–0.48 nanograms/milliliter, respectively. In 1983 sneezing powders produced from the herb in West Germany were reported to have caused severe intoxications in Scandinavia.
Just as well there is activated carbon to help with the poisoning ...
Plants beloning to the Cinchona genus do have medicinal properties though, particularly as a source of quinine.
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Re: The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Split
#1813 by campermon » Feb 27, 2012 8:13 pm
Darkchilde wrote:Okay people, let's crash Nancy's poll here: http://drnancymalik.wordpress.com/2012/02/25/polls/
Just voted.
Currently, Conventional 95.24% Homeopathic 3.87%
lol!
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Re: The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Split
#1814 by cherries » Feb 27, 2012 8:30 pm
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Re: The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Split
#1815 by campermon » Feb 27, 2012 8:35 pm
No wait!
STOP VOTING FOR CONVENTIONAL MEDICINE NOW!
The more we dilute the homeopathic vote, the more potent it will become!
STOP VOTING FOR CONVENTIONAL MEDICINE NOW!
The more we dilute the homeopathic vote, the more potent it will become!
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Re: The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Split
#1816 by Paul » Feb 27, 2012 8:39 pm
It's ok as long as you don't shake it 
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Re: The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Split
#1817 by campermon » Feb 27, 2012 8:41 pm
Scarlett and Ironclad wrote:Campermon,...a middle aged, middle class, Guardian reading, dad of four, knackered hippy, woolly jumper wearing wino and science teacher.
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Re: The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Split
#1819 by cherries » Feb 27, 2012 9:40 pm
Conventional 95.62% (1,376 votes)
Danny Quaranto
February 26, 2012
Acutally the best thing to do before thinking about modalities to use in illness is to make sure there are no “obstacles to cure”, i.e., lifestyle indiscretions.
Dr. Nancy Malik:Thank you Danny for your response.
I totally agree with you that lifestyle modifications needs to be done before restoring to medicine.
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Re: The Danger of Science Denial - "Alternative Medicine"-Split
#1820 by Paul » Feb 29, 2012 9:46 am
Nancy (on twitter, 3 days ago) wrote:A running opinion poll http://t.co/VDZNPbW4 is showing that homeopathy is the choice of >93% of people. Let people choose and decide. VOTE
That would have been when much fewer than 100 votes had been cast.
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