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What the bleep do we know?

#1  Postby dvada191 » Feb 16, 2014 8:27 am

Does anyone remember this movie? I was turned onto it a while back by my brother. I remember having a look, and thinking it was pretty interesting, but it was kind of fast paced so I couldn't really get my mind around it. Of course, I didn't realize it was all pseudoscientific new age quasi-religious bullshit at the time, but my brother was (and still is) really into that shit. Don't remember a thing about it, but the internet seems to really hate it.
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Re: What the bleep do we know?

#2  Postby campermon » Feb 16, 2014 8:45 am

I forced myself to watch it ages ago!

Lots of quantum physics mangling. :nono:
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Re: What the bleep do we know?

#3  Postby Beatrice » Feb 16, 2014 8:48 am

Yes, I remember it. It was a peculiar mix of awful/hilarious.
Of the top of my head, some choice moments were J.Z. Knight "channeling Ramtha", and "water molecules can be influenced by thoughts".
Typical New Age rubbish with the usual dose of "quantum" to make it sound sciency.
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Re: What the bleep do we know?

#4  Postby quas » Feb 16, 2014 10:11 am

They claim that the double-slit experiment proves that molecules can be affected by human thoughts.
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Re: What the bleep do we know?

#5  Postby Evolving » Feb 16, 2014 11:01 am

It is, of course, trivially true that thoughts can affect molecules. I thought I’d have a cup of tea this morning, and as a result of that thought a vast number of water molecules made their way from the tap, through the kettle, the teapot and a mug, into my digestive system, where they are now. Without that thought those molecules would have been in a very different situation.

The effect of doing the double-slit experiment is no different: we do an experiment, and it has an effect (not on molecules: the double-slit experiment doesn’t work on molecules, they’re too big: but it does have an effect on photons and on electrons).

Where the double-slit experiment really is different is in what it is designed to demonstrate. That is that a particle is generally in an indeterminate state, a superposition of several (maybe infinitely many) possible states, relating, for instance, to the particle’s energy, its momentum or, indeed, its position (where it is, with arbitrary exactitude, or which route it is taking out of the possibilities open to it). Any of those states are possible, if circumstances force the particle to make up its mind, as it were.

A lot of nonsense is talked about this, and I think the main source of that nonsense is this: whenever we know about a particle making up its mind (its wave function collapsing), it is because we have done an experiment. We ourselves have created those circumstances that cause the wave function to collapse. But there is absolutely no reason to think, and it would be absurd to think, that no wave functions ever collapse anywhere else in the universe or ever did so before human physicists started to do double-slit experiments. It’s just that the only way to observe it happening is to do an experiment, and that is where "looking“ and "human thought“ come into it. That’s all.

Apologies if you know all this already.
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Re: What the bleep do we know?

#6  Postby campermon » Feb 16, 2014 12:18 pm

Evolving wrote:
The effect of doing the double-slit experiment is no different: we do an experiment, and it has an effect (not on molecules: the double-slit experiment doesn’t work on molecules, they’re too big: but it does have an effect on photons and on electrons).


http://www.univie.ac.at/qfp/research/matterwave/c60/

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Re: What the bleep do we know?

#7  Postby Evolving » Feb 16, 2014 12:29 pm

Well well! How very interesting.

1999, eh? My textbooks are younger than that.
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Re: What the bleep do we know?

#8  Postby Rumraket » Feb 16, 2014 1:11 pm

quas wrote:They claim that the double-slit experiment proves that molecules can be affected by human thoughts.

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