Alcohol Induced Psychosis

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Re: Alcohol Induced Psychosis

#41  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 10, 2018 10:54 pm

I'm FINE fal; honest!

Bigger fish to fry right now Thommo x

I'm gonna sue the fuck out of them...no win no fee personal injury claim specialist? Private solicitor? Anybody got any advice as to how to proceed?
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Re: Alcohol Induced Psychosis

#42  Postby Fallible » Feb 10, 2018 11:02 pm

Yes, I have. Leave it. Focus, FFS.
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#43  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 10, 2018 11:10 pm

If I don't make a point of their negligence RE this issue who knows how many others will suffer in the future because of it? Gotta hit 'em where it hurts or they'll never change...or would you rather I stood outside their building and gave them dirty looks lol? I have no moral quibble about taking them for bucks about this. How do you put a price on 72 hours in a holding cell and a broken rib? And that's just the start.
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#44  Postby Fallible » Feb 10, 2018 11:13 pm

I would prefer you focused on yourself and getting fully better. You can take on the NHS then.
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Re: Alcohol Induced Psychosis

#45  Postby surreptitious57 » Feb 11, 2018 11:11 pm

I like you telling all the local off licences not to serve you for that is a practical and positive step to recovery
And I agree with you about AA. I am not an alcoholic but if I had to join it as a condition for recovery I would
have no problem with the higher power element. I would substitute it for something else instead like you did
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#46  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 11, 2018 11:17 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:I like you telling all the local off licences not to serve you for that is a practical and positive step to recovery

It's rescued us from my being severely inebriated twice already sur
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#47  Postby surreptitious57 » Feb 11, 2018 11:28 pm

So not only is it a good idea in principle but it works in practice too. Given enough time you could even stop
feeling the need to have alcohol in the first place. Or at least go for periods of time without craving it at all
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#48  Postby felltoearth » Feb 12, 2018 1:07 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:So not only is it a good idea in principle but it works in practice too. Given enough time you could even stop
feeling the need to have alcohol in the first place. Or at least go for periods of time without craving it at all

Said no study of alcoholism ever.
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#49  Postby Fallible » Feb 12, 2018 1:29 pm

Yeah, unfortunately abstinence only deals with surface level stuff. It's not just a physical craving, but a psychological one too. You need to go deeper, change the way you think about alcohol and so on to kick it. Even then, we advise never fully letting your guard down, because why risk it?
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#50  Postby surreptitious57 » Feb 12, 2018 1:50 pm

I shouldnt really have said that because I knew damn well that it wasnt true
I said it just to be positive but since its based on a lie its not much use at all
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#51  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 12, 2018 2:02 pm

The thing is I am basically petrified of psychosis so basically don't want to get drunk at all - if only I'd known/been informed of AIP and it's comorbidity with schizophrenia when I'd first come off the antipsychotics (15/7/2017) I would have been sober this whole time, and none of these things (I composed this list today in preparation for the legal action) would have happened:

The suffering of KIR resulting from the "mental health professionals'" who's duty of care I was under's gigantic incompetence...not exhaustive:


Financial cost of drinking heavily since coming off antipsychotics.

Physical (liver etc.) cost of drinking heavily since coming off antipsychotics.

Physical and psychological (anxiety) damage of being assaulted 8 times (broken rib, sprained jaw twice, broken nose, black eye)

Psychological damage of being threatened by non-physically damaging intimidation/threats (eg. Next door neighbour storming into my flat twice and pinning me down by my neck).

Pain and inconvenience of being in Quedgely holding cells 3 times (circa 72 hours total).

Physical damage of punching the cell wall in Quedgely twice and a friend's brick wall once.

Psychological damage of falling out with people all the time because of drunken psychosis and therefor being profoundly lonely.

Psychological/social damage by now having a dreadful reputation in my area.

Psychological damage caused by feelings of guilt at all the police man hours/resources used/wasted on me and also at the trauma suffered by my numerous victims when drunken and psychotic.

Financial cost of having my phone stolen 2 times, abandoning (losing) my pushbike 2 times, abandoning (losing) my laptop once (add inconvenience and trauma of losing all my data/files).
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#52  Postby Fallible » Feb 12, 2018 2:19 pm

I understand your frustration, but you're essentially saying they had responsibility for what you did while drunk, because you think that kicked off your psychosis. If you're not in psychosis before you get drunk, why did you make the decision to get drunk to begin with, since you seem to be saying that you are of sound mind when you make that decision? People have a tendency to do stupid things while drunk even when they're not psychotic.
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#53  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 12, 2018 2:23 pm

I drank like a fish for the circa 4 years on antipsychotics too and didn't get into any trouble at all you see fal.
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#54  Postby Fallible » Feb 12, 2018 2:30 pm

Yeah but you drank like a fish this time and it got you into trouble, so why did you make the same decision again? It sounds like dependency. I dunno,maybe they didn't help you out with that when they should have?
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#55  Postby surreptitious57 » Feb 12, 2018 2:31 pm

You cannot change what has already happened but you are making an effort to curb your drinking. And without any coercion either but entirely of your own free will. All you can do is maintain that positive mental attitude. And particularly when you have a bad day which you will. If you do maintain it it wont automatically cure your psychosis or alcoholic craving but it will in part improve your mental well being. So try and do that if you can
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#56  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 12, 2018 2:45 pm

Fallible wrote:Yeah but you drank like a fish this time and it got you into trouble, so why did you make the same decision again? It sounds like dependency.

I just thought "oh well; bad luck; these things happen I guess". The crazy man thinks himself sane remember - I didn't realise I was psychotic when drunk until VERY recently because a) my lady friend said I seemed psychotic/mad when drunk and b) There was one recent thought while drunk/psychotic which reminded me so strongly of past psychotic episodes pre-antipsychotics that I a lightbulb came on. Dependant on alcohol? Moi? Surely not ;) the point is I'm so petrified of psychosis that the dependancy is now trumped, and could have been from 15/7/2017 if only the "pros" "caring" for me had a clue.
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#57  Postby surreptitious57 » Feb 12, 2018 3:14 pm

Dont know if the anti social behaviour was purely alcohol related or not because being sober and psychotic can still produce it. But staying off alcohol is definitely better even if you had four years of no anti social behaviour with alcohol. I would say that those four years were despite the alcohol simply because anyone who drinks like a fish can instantly become anti social

Maybe you were more mentally balanced in those four years so had zero reason to be anti social. It sounds as if things happening outside your control made you anti social this time round. You could ask the mental health team about CBT
if you havent already had it. They need to be much more interactive as you need them now. Postponing appointments
is simply not good enough even if your behaviour was the reason given
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#58  Postby Fallible » Feb 12, 2018 3:23 pm

Keep It Real wrote:
Fallible wrote:Yeah but you drank like a fish this time and it got you into trouble, so why did you make the same decision again? It sounds like dependency.

I just thought "oh well; bad luck; these things happen I guess". The crazy man thinks himself sane remember - I didn't realise I was psychotic when drunk until VERY recently because a) my lady friend said I seemed psychotic/mad when drunk and b) There was one recent thought while drunk/psychotic which reminded me so strongly of past psychotic episodes pre-antipsychotics that I a lightbulb came on. Dependant on alcohol? Moi? Surely not ;) the point is I'm so petrified of psychosis that the dependancy is now trumped, and could have been from 15/7/2017 if only the "pros" "caring" for me had a clue.


Maybe I'm not explaining myself well. You have listed a catalogue of things that happened to you while drunk which can't all have happened during the same episode, which means you thought 'oh well bad luck these things happen I guess' and then went and did it again and again. In essence it doesn't matter if you then when psychotic. You chose to drink again knowing that it gets you into trouble. My point being that the professionals aren't responsible for you doing that, unless you are dependent on alcohol and they haven't treated you as they should have with that.

As for your terror of psychosis being enough to stop you drinking again, I hope you're right, but I wouldn't class myself as a very nice person if I didn't take this opportunity to point out that a) abstinence only hasn't stopped you previously and b) the feelings of terror will start out strong and reduce over time.
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Re: Alcohol Induced Psychosis

#59  Postby surreptitious57 » Feb 12, 2018 4:00 pm

Have you noticed any real difference in the severity of your psychotic episodes or do they all feel just as intense
Is it the mental symptoms like paranoia and anxiety which most bother you or the physical possibility of violence

I have never had psychosis but I have had uncontrollable thoughts which made me feel completely powerless
That is every bit as terrifying as anything physical and maybe even more so because you cannot escape them

I have also had my mind control my motor function so much I could not carry on walking in the direction I was
going even though there was absolutely nothing wrong with me physically but yet my legs simply would not go

So whatever you experience must be of a magnitude of order significantly above that if it scares the hell out of you
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Re: Alcohol Induced Psychosis

#60  Postby surreptitious57 » Feb 12, 2018 4:44 pm

Slightly off topic this but it is said that when experiencing a debilitating episode such as depression it is better to do some
thing instead of nothing. This is total tosh. You dont get a lovely endorphin release if you actually have some energy to do anything for you feel just the same. Now ignorant people who know absolutely nothing about mental illness think physical activity is good for treating debilitating mental illness. But it isnt. For if it were this simple no one would ever suffer from depression. I know that from experience. It simply doesnt work. The mind isnt going to be changed by what the body does
It only changes when it wants to so what the body does is therefore entirely irrelevant. Endorphin release makes precisely
zero difference. I mention all of this because some forms of psychosis are presumably debilitating in exactly the same way
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