Alcohol Induced Psychosis

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Re: Alcohol Induced Psychosis

#21  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 10, 2018 6:40 pm

Fallible wrote:I think we're back at the same issue here with the cured/sane thing. I know your thoughts,

I've changed my mind since this thread. I'd now say schizophrenia is incurable, but that the symptoms can lay dormant interminably...for me they raise their ugly head when I get very drunk these days, for example.

Fallible wrote:but I think it would have been better to answer 'yes'. You have suffered from schizophrenia, and what you are saying is that you were in psychosis when they picked you up.

If I'd have said "yes" the same thing would have happened as with the september arrest - they'd have waited for me to sober up then judged me sane. Correctly (at that (sober) time).


It's hard though. Those places are the most soul destroying places I've ever been, and one of the hardest parts to come to terms with I found about being there was that the busies are not there to look after you. I've witnessed them taking the piss out of mentally ill people in the cells. The best thing all round is for you to avoid contact with them, which means not getting yourself into these predicaments in the first place.

I have no difficulty calling those holding cells torture chambers. Wonder how Norway does it...
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Re: Alcohol Induced Psychosis

#22  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 10, 2018 6:43 pm

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I think saying that I have no reason to doubt your word as opposed to saying your word is beyond doubt is a distinction without a difference.

I have no reason to kill them/it's impossible to kill them. Can you see the difference there?
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#23  Postby surreptitious57 » Feb 10, 2018 6:43 pm

The link says that most patients stop experiencing psychotic episodes after several weeks withdrawal from alcohol
But it does not say how likely an occurrence would be in the future. However you could very slowly try and reduce
your consumption to see if there would be any difference. Do you think that might help or is it just a waste of time
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#24  Postby Fallible » Feb 10, 2018 6:47 pm

Keep It Real wrote:
Fallible wrote:I think we're back at the same issue here with the cured/sane thing. I know your thoughts,

I've changed my mind since this thread. I'd now say schizophrenia is incurable, but that the symptoms can lay dormant interminably...for me they raise their ugly head when I get very drunk these days, for example.

Fallible wrote:but I think it would have been better to answer 'yes'. You have suffered from schizophrenia, and what you are saying is that you were in psychosis when they picked you up.

If I'd have said "yes" the same thing would have happened as with the september arrest - they'd have waited for me to sober up then judged me sane. Correctly (at that (sober) time).


It's hard though. Those places are the most soul destroying places I've ever been, and one of the hardest parts to come to terms with I found about being there was that the busies are not there to look after you. I've witnessed them taking the piss out of mentally ill people in the cells. The best thing all round is for you to avoid contact with them, which means not getting yourself into these predicaments in the first place.

I have no difficulty calling those holding cells torture chambers. Wonder how Norway does it...


Well nothing can be done about what happened anyway. As I said, you just need to keep yourself out of the way of the bizzies (I am reliably informed that I spelt that wrongly the first time), which means addressing the issue. You're staying away from alcohol for now which is good, but we all know that this hasn't been an altogether successful strategy in the past. You need to get help, KIR.
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Re: Alcohol Induced Psychosis

#25  Postby Thommo » Feb 10, 2018 6:50 pm

Keep It Real wrote:
Thommo wrote:
I think saying that I have no reason to doubt your word as opposed to saying your word is beyond doubt is a distinction without a difference.

I have no reason to kill them/it's impossible to kill them. Can you see the difference there?


Yes, although I can't see the word "impossible" in the post you're replying to. Can you?
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#26  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 10, 2018 6:52 pm

Fallible wrote:You need to get help, KIR.

Perfect timing fal; my 3rd AA meeting in 3 days is 20 mins away and a 10 min walk - how serendipitous you reminded me...better than nothing/a start and it's nice to feel one is not alone with regards to alcohol problems. That word again - companionship. :)

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#27  Postby surreptitious57 » Feb 10, 2018 6:53 pm

The court might require you to do some form of therapy or counselling which you would be obliged to attend
This might produce better results than with the rather negligent staff you currently appear to have right now
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#28  Postby surreptitious57 » Feb 10, 2018 7:06 pm

I think schizophrenia is incurable like you do. The best that can be done is to contain it with medication and
because it is incurable psychiatrists have no legal requirement to detain schizophrenics.That means they are
released into the community with inadequate supervision and sometimes with devastating consequences too
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#29  Postby surreptitious57 » Feb 10, 2018 7:37 pm


You are doing the right thing with AA so just keep on going and try and make new friends
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Re: Alcohol Induced Psychosis

#30  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 10, 2018 9:33 pm

Thommo wrote:
Keep It Real wrote:
Thommo wrote:
I think saying that I have no reason to doubt your word as opposed to saying your word is beyond doubt is a distinction without a difference.

I have no reason to kill them/it's impossible to kill them. Can you see the difference there?


Yes, although I can't see the word "impossible" in the post you're replying to. Can you?


No reason to love them/they are beyond love. Admit defeat on this one Thommo.
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#31  Postby Fallible » Feb 10, 2018 9:49 pm

Does it matter? How was your meeting?
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#32  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 10, 2018 9:55 pm

Very dull I'm afraid - really cliquey this meet was compared to the other times/places I've attended. A handful of cool people imo though. I spoke and told the tale of my realisation of the comorbidity of historic psychosis (didn't have the guts to say schizophrenia lol) and alcohol induced psychosis and trotted out the mutant lions from Hades line too. I also said I probably won't be attending far into the future but am here now to impress the court. Pretty fucking disrespectful really but...well...KIR
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#33  Postby Fallible » Feb 10, 2018 10:04 pm

I don't have much familiarity with AA meetings specifically but a number of my peeps attend or have attended GA meetings, with mixed results. Common complaints are that they are depressing, too religious and even that they become pissing contests about who lost the most money gambling. Some people like the comfort of being with others who understand what they're going through. Attending therapy will impress the court too, by the way. Is there an Addaction or anything near you? I think there's one in Stratford and something in Tewkesbury.
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#34  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 10, 2018 10:19 pm

The religious stuff doesn't bother me these days as I've defined my "higher power" to my satisfaction (environmental influences = my "God" for the purpose of AA). There is an element of the pissing contest thing at AA though too no doubt - who is the most fucked up/fucked up by alcohol. Yesterday and the day before's meets felt companionable for me and I enjoyed that, but since the realisations in this thread I really feel fundamentally different to the rest of them circa my (now, I firmly think, historic) drinking. It was nice to have a chat with this one sound woman afterwards though so company still. There's a CGL and I've got an appointment there next Thursday. I've also printed out photos of myself and handed them out to all the local 24 hour off licences and they've all agreed to put them in the staff quarters and never serve me alcohol. Given all this and the subject of this thread I really don't see how they can reasonably punish me further at all...
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#35  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 10, 2018 10:21 pm

Actually fuck it - I deserve bigtime compensation for the negligence of the mental healthcare workers who failed to inform me of the relevant comorbidity. :rage:
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Re: Alcohol Induced Psychosis

#36  Postby Fallible » Feb 10, 2018 10:27 pm

Only if that is definitely what you were suffering from, and I don't know enough to know how they would go about figuring that out when you've had schizophrenia. I would channel your energy into getting better if I were you. Sounds like you've done some good stuff in that direction.
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Re: Alcohol Induced Psychosis

#37  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 10, 2018 10:36 pm

Keep It Real wrote:the negligence of the mental healthcare workers


Here are the relevant sentences from the letter I received this morning from the psychiatrist who knows my case best, sent after my drunken psychotic intimidating of their offices twice. I. Kid. You. Not.


Dear KIR,

I discussed your current situation with my colleagues, and we are all concerned that you could be suffering with your mental illness again and hence drinking excessive amounts of alcohol. If you would like to stop drinking alcohol completely but you are worried that you will struggle without alcohol...


So I'm drinking heavily because I'm psychotic. Talk about putting the cart before the horse. They fucking know I drank like a fish on the antipsychotics too - don't they read their notes?!?!?!?
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Re: Alcohol Induced Psychosis

#38  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 10, 2018 10:39 pm

Fallible wrote:Only if that is definitely what you were suffering from, and I don't know enough to know how they would go about figuring that out when you've had schizophrenia. I would channel your energy into getting better if I were you. Sounds like you've done some good stuff in that direction.


I'm fine fal, honest - just angry at their incompetence because I've suffered so much as a result of it - not to mention the waste in police hours and my (well; their really) victims'. I'm not anxious or paranoid at all. 0 psychosis IMO. Sober as a judge.
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Re: Alcohol Induced Psychosis

#39  Postby Thommo » Feb 10, 2018 10:43 pm

Keep It Real wrote:
Thommo wrote:
Keep It Real wrote:
Thommo wrote:
I think saying that I have no reason to doubt your word as opposed to saying your word is beyond doubt is a distinction without a difference.

I have no reason to kill them/it's impossible to kill them. Can you see the difference there?


Yes, although I can't see the word "impossible" in the post you're replying to. Can you?


No reason to love them/they are beyond love. Admit defeat on this one Thommo.


Again, saying your word (in this instance) is not beyond doubt does not mean your word is never true. If you're trying to suggest that I was right to doubt you, or that doubt was perfectly appropriate (as would follow from this analogy you make) this seems an even more unnecessary semantic diversion than I previously thought, since that was clearly my point in the first place.
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Re: Alcohol Induced Psychosis

#40  Postby Fallible » Feb 10, 2018 10:52 pm

I know better than most that mental health provision can be shit, in my place we catch a lot of the people who fall through the cracks. We have provision for people suffering from mental illness who don't qualify for any of the free counselling programs we are funded for which the boss calls the 'beggars' fund'. No idea where we get the money from to see these people, but it scares me to death to think of what would happen to them if we didn't have them. I have one or two myself at the moment. It breaks your heart. To be honest I think the boss pays for it out of his own pocket. You've got to keep trying to find the good ones, KIR. They exist. Something other cancer patients taught me over the last few months was that you've got to be your own advocate. Keep on asking for help.
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