Comprehensive evidence that the mind surives death

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Re: Comprehensive evidence that the mind surives death

#61  Postby Mike_L » Dec 30, 2017 10:34 am

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Animavore wrote:How does this mind, once allegedly disembodied and passed on to a place beyond, know to go back to the body after it has been revived after a few hours? Is it possible to sever the body from the mind leaving a living piece of meat behind?
Indeed, why do we never get a case of someone returned to the wrong body?

That does happen. It happens to lots of people! :shifty:
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Re: Comprehensive evidence that the mind surives death

#62  Postby laklak » Dec 30, 2017 3:52 pm

I want to wake up in Scarlett Johansson's body. It's OK if I'm still in my own at the time.
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Re: Comprehensive evidence that the mind surives death

#63  Postby SafeAsMilk » Dec 30, 2017 3:59 pm

Fallible wrote:This thread is hilarious.

But...but...comprehensive evidence!
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Re: Comprehensive evidence that the mind surives death

#64  Postby surreptitious57 » Dec 30, 2017 5:57 pm

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Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Meaning there is evidence that what ever they experienced did not occur during that period

Well that assumes that many of the patients were lying now

That is one possibility. Another more plausible one is they gave an account of what they genuinely thought they were
experiencing although it was something else. First person subjective experience is notoriously unreliable. There is no
way to objectively demonstrate it if the only person doing it is the one who actually witnessed the event in question
Not even if their account of it is entirely accurate
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Re: Comprehensive evidence that the mind surives death

#65  Postby DavidMcC » Dec 30, 2017 6:54 pm

laklak wrote:I want to wake up in Scarlett Johansson's body. It's OK if I'm still in my own at the time.

:lol: :lol: :naughty:
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Re: Comprehensive evidence that the mind surives death

#66  Postby Alan B » Jan 01, 2018 8:36 pm

The brain is a very complex electronic circuit and like all circuits of this complexity there is an element of electrical capacitance built-in.
When the energy source is removed, the capacitances will begin to discharge in an uncontrolled manner causing some circuits to behave in unexpected and abnormal ways. This gives rise to all sorts of weird and wonderful stories if the power is restored soon enough.
If the power is not restored, then discharge will continue until there is nothing left to 'activate' any circuitry.
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Re: Comprehensive evidence that the mind surives death

#67  Postby Shrunk » Jan 02, 2018 1:30 am

Alan B wrote:The brain is a very complex electronic circuit and like all circuits of this complexity there is an element of electrical capacitance built-in.


I've learned that the hard way, working on tube audio amplifiers that had long been unplugged, making it easy to forget that they still carried some juice in their power supplies. :oops:
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Re: Comprehensive evidence that the mind surives death

#68  Postby GrahamH » Jan 02, 2018 2:36 pm

Wortfish wrote:
DavidMcC wrote:The critical issues here are the cause and definition of "death", which is a process that can take time. In the early part of this period, the mind may survive, at least partially. This will obviously often be the case when, as in the interview, death is defined as "when the heart stops". It does, of course depend very much on the cause of death, so the thread title is highly misleading, IMO. For example, if death is caused by being rapidly crushed to bits under a heavy, but unseen, object, then there will be almost no time for which the mind can survive after the heart stops.


Dr. Parnia's research shows that the brain shuts down when the heart stops. But it doesn't decompose immediately. That allows people to be brought back from a state of clinical death. But. as the brain is inactive during this period, there should be no awareness....but there is.


Where do you get "the brain is inactive during this period" and what exactly does "inactive" mean? I don't think technology exists that could show that to be the case. EEG only captures coarse scale signals that make it to the scalp. FMRI doesn't measure electrical or synaptic activity and direct electrical probing covers very small areas and would not be appropriate in a CA situation.

The guy in the video talks of "not expecting" brain activity, but what is un-evidenced expectation worth in exceptional cases?

The next question would be how do you establish the timing of these experiences? How can the possibility of confabulation by the recovering functional brain be eliminated?
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Re: Comprehensive evidence that the mind surives death

#69  Postby Shrunk » Jan 02, 2018 3:35 pm

:this:
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Re: Comprehensive evidence that the mind surives death

#70  Postby Alan B » Jan 02, 2018 7:28 pm

Shrunk wrote:
Alan B wrote:The brain is a very complex electronic circuit and like all circuits of this complexity there is an element of electrical capacitance built-in.


I've learned that the hard way, working on tube audio amplifiers that had long been unplugged, making it easy to forget that they still carried some juice in their power supplies. :oops:

Oh, yeah. Been there, done that. Ouch!
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