Consciousness - a product of the brain?

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Re: Consciousness - a product of the brain?

#1041  Postby angelo » Nov 26, 2014 8:51 am

Ven. Kwan Tam Woo wrote:Civilisation is only here because of the tiny minority of modern humans who were/are very smart and capable, not the vast majority who are captivated by things like Kim Kardashian's arse.

That's just the primal urges in the male species of homo sapiens. :lol:
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Re: Consciousness - a product of the brain?

#1042  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 26, 2014 11:37 am

angelo wrote:
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angelo wrote:Again, conciousness arose in homo sapien as he gradually became self aware and as an aid for self survival.



Why H sapiens? Why not H neanderthalensis? Why not H erectus? Why not A afarensis? Why not Pan trogolodytes?

Please help me understand how you can know that consciousness is a property only of modern humans?

Trace back the origins of religion, long before that, homo erectus started to become self aware is roughly when conciousness arose. There are traces of this conciousness in many living beings like a dolphin for example. But it never matches the conciousness of homo sapiens sapien. Only he has built a civilisation through his superior brain power.



So consciousness didn't arise in H sapiens, it just became a more important trait in humanity's survival tool-kit and consequently developed beyond other species.

While I'd agree there's a gradient, I wouldn't agree that other animals lack consciousness if the term means 'aware of their surroundings' - clearly, there would be a lot of species which possess consciousness if this were the operating definition. If, however, consciousness is meant in the reiterative sense of being aware of one's thoughts of one's surroundings, then I think the list of organisms possessing consciousness would be rather shorter.
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Re: Consciousness - a product of the brain?

#1043  Postby Animavore » Nov 26, 2014 11:53 am

I don't think it's helpful to say that consciousness is a product of the brain as if it were something the brain produces like the liver produces urine. It makes it sound like consciousness comes off the brain, like something it transmits.

I would think it is more akin to the picture on a TV screen, which is merely the flux of patterns of colour, and not something the screen produces.
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Re: Consciousness - a product of the brain?

#1044  Postby angelo » Nov 26, 2014 12:13 pm

So you don't think that conciousness is a by product of the mind which in turn is a by product of the brain?
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Re: Consciousness - a product of the brain?

#1045  Postby Animavore » Nov 26, 2014 12:15 pm

angelo wrote:So you don't think that conciousness is a by product of the mind which in turn is a by product of the brain?

No. I think it is the working of the brain, not a product of it.
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Re: Consciousness - a product of the brain?

#1046  Postby kennyc » Nov 26, 2014 12:37 pm

Animavore wrote:
angelo wrote:So you don't think that conciousness is a by product of the mind which in turn is a by product of the brain?

No. I think it is the working of the brain, not a product of it.


Meh..... six of one, half-dozen of the other.... I think (unless meanings are being stretched) we are in agreement. :D

I think of it as a function or process of of the brain. :grin:
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Re: Consciousness - a product of the brain?

#1047  Postby DavidMcC » Dec 19, 2016 4:19 pm

I agree with angelo, assuming that a process (as well as stuff) can be a product, in the case of the brain.
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Re: Consciousness - a product of the brain?

#1048  Postby kennyc » Dec 19, 2016 4:41 pm

Wow. Over two years old. I bet there have been a hundred other threads started on this topic since then.
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Re: Consciousness - a product of the brain?

#1049  Postby DavidMcC » Dec 19, 2016 4:47 pm

kennyc wrote:Wow. Over two years old. I bet there have been a hundred other threads started on this topic since then.

Yet it was still near the top of the list!
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