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Re: Depression

#261  Postby Mr.Samsa » Jul 02, 2014 8:15 am

Fallible wrote:No, I don't seem that way at all. You simply make no sense and I don't have the inclination to keep responding to you. You're back to personalising the discussion now, so I can see literally no point in attempting to engage you further.


You're learning the lesson we all learnt a long time ago. I admire your patience though.
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Re: Depression

#262  Postby Fallible » Jul 02, 2014 11:12 am

Oh, is this how it usually goes?
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Re: Depression

#263  Postby Mr.Samsa » Jul 02, 2014 12:11 pm

Fallible wrote:Oh, is this how it usually goes?


More or less. The last couple of times I've tried to engage him it ended with him accusing me of going back and editing his posts because he thought that what was written sounded too stupid for him to have said that. He even started a feedback thread accusing an unnamed ex-mod who had retained his powers of editing of staging this conspiracy against him, and supported his claim by arguing that I had bragged about doing it on another forum. When pressed for a link to this evidence he explains that he forgot where it was, or maybe I had mod powers there too and deleted it, I can't remember. (I think eventually he apologised for accusing me but maintained that someone was probably doing it).

Conversations just become insanely bizarre.
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Re: Depression

#264  Postby Fallible » Jul 02, 2014 12:30 pm

Ah, now I've connected the dots. I remember the Feedback thread you mention, it's only just clicked who the author was. 'Nuff said.
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Re: Depression

#265  Postby DavidMcC » Jul 02, 2014 12:52 pm

Fallible wrote:What the actual fuck are you talking about? Are you deliberately taking the piss? Where have I even hinted that I suffer from diabetes in any of my posts here?

Mr.Samsa wrote:
Fallible wrote:Oh, is this how it usually goes?


More or less. The last couple of times I've tried to engage him it ended with him accusing me of going back and editing his posts because he thought that what was written sounded too stupid for him to have said that. He even started a feedback thread accusing an unnamed ex-mod who had retained his powers of editing of staging this conspiracy against him, and supported his claim by arguing that I had bragged about doing it on another forum. When pressed for a link to this evidence he explains that he forgot where it was, or maybe I had mod powers there too and deleted it, I can't remember. (I think eventually he apologised for accusing me but maintained that someone was probably doing it).

Conversations just become insanely bizarre.

You ought to know that Mr.Samsa once boasted (in a subsequently deleted post) that he had exploited retained mod priveleges on another site.
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Re: Depression

#266  Postby Fallible » Jul 02, 2014 12:59 pm

That looks suspiciously like a load of off-topic trolly paranoid bullshit to me, and further convinces me that entertaining your nonsense is a waste of time.
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Re: Depression

#267  Postby DavidMcC » Jul 02, 2014 1:20 pm

Fallible wrote:That looks suspiciously like a load of off-topic trolly paranoid bullshit to me, and further convinces me that entertaining your nonsense is a waste of time.

That's entirely up to you. It's your opinion, and it seems that I can't use rational argument to change it. :(
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Although this thread has now been thoroughly derailed by Mr.Samsa and Fallible, I want to continue with a little.
There is ONE way in which depression can be like diabetes, and that is if it is severe enough to cause the sufferer to self-harm. The self-harm is a complication, and cannot be ameliorated by ameliorating the depression (just as diabetic retinopathy cannot be ameliorated by insulin injections). However, there remains a fundamental difference, which is that the root cause of depression is an ill-defined thing, whereas the root cause of diabetes is well defined (although it differs in the detail between type 1 and type 2).
OK, now you can start your blathering again, if your want, I don't care.
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Re: Depression

#268  Postby Mr.Samsa » Jul 02, 2014 1:28 pm

DavidMcC wrote:
You ought to know that Mr.Samsa once boasted (in a subsequently deleted post) that he had exploited retained mod priveleges on another site.


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Re: Depression

#269  Postby DavidMcC » Jul 02, 2014 1:32 pm

Mr.Samsa wrote:
DavidMcC wrote:
You ought to know that Mr.Samsa once boasted (in a subsequently deleted post) that he had exploited retained mod priveleges on another site.


Link?

Strange question! As I said, you deleted the remark soon after I read it.

It is interesting that you and Fallible have arranged to derail this thread.
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Re: Depression

#270  Postby Fallible » Jul 02, 2014 2:32 pm

Still trolling, I see. I did nothing but talk about the subject until your posts became so incomprehensible I gave up. If you're just going to make stuff up I still see no point in engaging you. You and whoever liked your crap have fun.
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Re: Depression

#271  Postby DavidMcC » Jul 02, 2014 2:43 pm

Fallible wrote:Still trolling, I see. I did nothing but talk about the subject until your posts became so incomprehensible I gave up. If you're just going to make stuff up I still see no point in engaging you. You and whoever liked your crap have fun.

A. I was not trolling. What is "crap" about anything I posted? All I tried to do from the start was to get away from the personalisation introduced by people like you, who wanted to talk about their depression", and talk about whether depression is a condition, or has a well-defined cause (I think not). If my posts are "incomprehensible" to you, that could be more to do with you than me.
However, I like your suggestion that you shoud stop posting in this thread. :thumbup:
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Re: Depression

#272  Postby Fallible » Jul 02, 2014 2:59 pm

I didn't say I would stop posting, I said I saw no point engaging you. Once again you've managed to mangle what's been said.

As to the off-topic shit about post alterations - you've already apologised for having "false memory" about people editing your posts, yet you were adamant at the time that it had happened. Due to this, I see no reason to believe anything else you say about people boasting of messing with people's posts then deleting it.

As to the on-topic part about getting away from personalisations introduced by people like me who wanted to talk about our own depression, you've simply misunderstood - shocking, I know - what this thread was initially about, which was talkietoaster's own depression and how best to treat it. In other words, the topic of the thread was how a member could help himself overcome his own depression and his experiences with that process, and has been used for months both for people to talk about treatments for depression and for people to talk about their own depression. Your claim that the personal aspect was introduced and you are only trying to get away from this topic change is - shocking, I know - a misinterpretation of the actual situation.

Additionally, although you attempted to troll me and people like me who mentioned they had had depression by JAQing off about whether anyone who had been diagnosed considered themselves an authority on all depression, most of the knowledge I do possess about it comes not from my own experience but from the fact I work in the field of mental health.

In conclusion, the benefit to me of engaging you beyond setting the record straight in this post is approaching zero, and indeed from this point on however hard you troll, you won't elicit another response from me. This does not, however, mean I will not post here any more. I hope this sinks in.
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Re: Depression

#273  Postby Mr.Samsa » Jul 02, 2014 3:34 pm

DavidMcC wrote:
Mr.Samsa wrote:
Link?

Strange question! As I said, you deleted the remark soon after I read it.

It is interesting that you and Fallible have arranged to derail this thread.


A link to the site and thread where I supposedly made this comment. And also please explain how I deleted the comment on another forum, given that I've never been a mod elsewhere so can't have retained mod privileges there.
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Re: Depression

#274  Postby DavidMcC » Jul 02, 2014 3:58 pm

Mr.Samsa wrote:
DavidMcC wrote:
Mr.Samsa wrote:
Link?

Strange question! As I said, you deleted the remark soon after I read it.

It is interesting that you and Fallible have arranged to derail this thread.


A link to the site and thread where I supposedly made this comment.
It was this site where you made the comment, but it was several years ago, and I don't keep that kind of records, of everything that some everyone says. You certainly made the post, though.
And also please explain how I deleted the comment on another forum, given that I've never been a mod elsewhere so can't have retained mod privileges there.
I didn't say you deleted the comment on the other forum, I said a you deleted a comment on this forum, about your nefarious activities on another forum. Although you now deny being a mod eleswhere, that is what you posted.
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Re: Depression

#275  Postby DavidMcC » Jul 02, 2014 3:59 pm

... I hope you realise that this is way off-topic for this thread.
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Re: Depression

#276  Postby DaveD » Jul 02, 2014 4:01 pm

Not really. This thread is about mental health, and somebody's obviously forgotten to take their frog pills.
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Re: Depression

#277  Postby Mr.Samsa » Jul 02, 2014 4:04 pm

DavidMcC wrote:
Mr.Samsa wrote:
A link to the site and thread where I supposedly made this comment.
It was this site where you made the comment, but it was several years ago, and I don't keep that kind of records, of everything that some everyone says. You certainly made the post, though.


You've said repeatedly, and even just above, that I made the comment on another site and then deleted it.

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And also please explain how I deleted the comment on another forum, given that I've never been a mod elsewhere so can't have retained mod privileges there.
I didn't say you deleted the comment on the other forum, I said a you deleted a comment on this forum, about your nefarious activities on another forum. Although you now deny being a mod eleswhere, that is what you posted.


No, quite clearly above you said that I made the comment on another site and then deleted it.

Or maybe I edited your post to make you say that?! Muahahahaha! You'll never stop me, I'm going to edit random words into a bunch of your old posts and you'll never know!
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Re: Depression

#278  Postby DavidMcC » Jul 02, 2014 4:23 pm

Mr.Samsa wrote:
DavidMcC wrote:
Mr.Samsa wrote:
A link to the site and thread where I supposedly made this comment.
It was this site where you made the comment, but it was several years ago, and I don't keep that kind of records, of everything that some everyone says. You certainly made the post, though.


You've said repeatedly, and even just above, that I made the comment on another site and then deleted it.

No, you repeatedly misconstrue what I said. I say again: you once boasted ON THIS SITE, of having retained mod priveleges ON ANOTHER SITE (unidentified) even after you ceased to be a mod on that site.
DavidMcC wrote:
And also please explain how I deleted the comment on another forum, given that I've never been a mod elsewhere so can't have retained mod privileges there.
I didn't say you deleted the comment on the other forum, I said a you deleted a comment on this forum, about your nefarious activities on another forum. Although you now deny being a mod eleswhere, that is what you posted.


No, quite clearly above you said that I made the comment on another site and then deleted it.

Or maybe I edited your post to make you say that?! Muahahahaha! You'll never stop me, I'm going to edit random words into a bunch of your old posts and you'll never know!

I wouldn't put it past you, if you had been a mod here, and happen to retain priveleges, due to a software issue, say.
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Re: Depression

#279  Postby Mr.Samsa » Jul 02, 2014 4:24 pm

I notice that you seem to have messed up your quote tags there, David. Or did you?
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Re: Depression

#280  Postby Fallible » Jul 02, 2014 4:27 pm

David's just claimed elsewhere that someone removed the offending words from a post he reported since he reported it, even though a few seconds' perusal of said post will find the words still very much in evidence. Is it actually worth taking anything he says seriously at this stage? Can't we just shrug our shoulders and walk away now?
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