by OK, I meant neuronal feedback loops, OK?pl0bs wrote:My bs-detector always lights up when ppl start talking about feedback loops. Its a telltale sign that one is using the complexity of the brain as a scapegoat to hide metaphysical assumptions under. But complexity does not offer a safe haven for conjectures about intelligence/consciousness, because any complex system in any organism always stems from a simpler system in its ancestor. Try and focus on the very "first" instances of "networks" and "loops" on the evolutionary timeline and you will find that the fence around the safe haven has collapsed and now spans across many more species than just ones with brains.DavidMcC wrote:There is a difference between a brain and a brain cell, pl0bs, and between a brain and other organs. Only the brain has a complex network of electrochemical signallers (neurons), some of which are in loop circuits that allow them to briefly hold information electrochemically (conscious awareness), and store that in memory (unconscious). Individual brain cells do not have these functions, but enable brain circuits to carry them out. AFAIK, there is no analogy elsewhere in biology to these brain circuits.
The electrochemical reactions in the brain are physical, as are the "networks" and "circuits".
Indeed, they are. That was my point, because they are a physical aspect of brains.
So, as before, the mere fact that something is physical does not imply there is no intelligence/consciousness. ...
See above. You seem to be assuming that any old physical aspect can give intelligence. On the contrary, I insist that it has to be sufficiently complex neuronal circuitry - the biological equivalent of AI circuits.
