Morbid Jealousy

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Re: Morbid Jealousy

#21  Postby Mr.Samsa » Nov 19, 2010 3:19 am

CdesignProponentsist wrote:
Mr.Samsa wrote:More specifically, morbid jealousy isn't necessarily a symptom of psychosis.


Morbid jealousy IS a psychosis. Morbidity indicates disease. Abnormal functioning of the brain caused by disease is psychosis.


A "disease" is just a state of unhealthiness. All mental disorders are diseases, but this doesn't mean that it's a biological problem. The term "mental illness/disease" was changed to "mental disorder" specifically because this is a common mistake that people made - thinking that the cause of the problem was necessarily biological. And "psychosis" is just a vague term that applies to a number of vastly different disorders that only have a few things in common; namely hallucinations, delusions and lack of insight, and that these things are "significant". So psychosis is just a state of disconnect from reality that is more extreme than would be normally expected, and the cause can be biological or environmental (or both).

And even if it were a physical problem in the brain that results in abnormal functioning, this doesn't even mean we should conclude that medication is the best solution. Given what we know about autism, we can be reasonably sure that the cause is genetic but the only treatment we have for it (and an incredibly successful one at that) is behavioral therapy.
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Re: Morbid Jealousy

#22  Postby Adco » Nov 19, 2010 6:28 am

I'm back at my PC and have read the chat going on. Quiet interesting. Refering to my personal experience only, I am sure that a change of mind is what is needed to solve the problem. But in that lies the difficulty. How do you change the mind of someone who is not willing to change? That person has to be the one to change from within and with conciousness/awareness.

How can medication help? Does it not numb the senses? Unless, ofcourse, there is a critical chemical missing in the body/brain. I suppose that would make sense.

Which thought altering therapy is better? Pyschiatric or spiritual?
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Re: Morbid Jealousy

#23  Postby Mr.Samsa » Nov 19, 2010 6:51 am

Adco wrote:I'm back at my PC and have read the chat going on. Quiet interesting. Refering to my personal experience only, I am sure that a change of mind is what is needed to solve the problem. But in that lies the difficulty. How do you change the mind of someone who is not willing to change? That person has to be the one to change from within and with conciousness/awareness.

How can medication help? Does it not numb the senses? Unless, ofcourse, there is a critical chemical missing in the body/brain. I suppose that would make sense.

Which thought altering therapy is better? Pyschiatric or spiritual?


Don't have much time so I'll try to expand on this later, but basically it's very difficult to change the mind of someone not willing to change, unfortunately.. However, medication can help with this as sometimes their unwillingness does have a biological cause. For example, it's common to give depressed patients antidepressants before starting therapy so they can get in the right mind-set; that is, so they can get out of bed and not think everyone hates them.

Which thought altering therapy is better? "Psychiatric" of course, spiritual is useless. Specifically, a psychologist who specialises in cognitive-behavioral therapy is your best option.
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Re: Morbid Jealousy

#24  Postby natselrox » Dec 24, 2010 6:18 am

Othello syndrome

Interesting how all the cases are men... would that be because this condition mainly affects males, or because this condition manifests itself as pathological jealousy in men?


Gender bias? - It seems to be more common in men, but actually 2 of the 9 cases were married women.
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Re: Morbid Jealousy

#25  Postby Beatrice » Dec 24, 2010 6:27 am

natselrox wrote:From the wiki: "Morbid jealousy (also known as delusional jealousy, or Othello syndrome) is a psychiatric disorder in which a person holds a delusional belief that their spouse or sexual partner is being unfaithful."

So it refers to spousal jealousy only. Interesting. Does it actually exist?


Yes it does, I was "morbidly jealous" for the first 4 years of my marriage. It was hell for both me and my husband.
It's completely gone now, I suspect it's thanks to my antidepressant but I'm not really sure.

Therapy didn't help at all.
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Re: Morbid Jealousy

#26  Postby Adco » Apr 23, 2012 1:45 pm

Hello people. Well, it actually happened. Morbid Jealousy took it's toll. From the first posting of this thread until now, a lot has happened. Morbid jealousy was diagnosed about October 2010 and by February 2011, a divorce was demanded from me. By August 2011, it was all over. Done, dusted and settled. Despite not having done anything to justify it, I am accused of screwing up a marriage because I screw around with friends and prostitutes.

After about 10 years of this kind of life, I have had a great weight lifted off my shoulders. There is no more constant accusations and the fighting is finally over. Ironically, the one lady that I was accused of having an affair with, is now my live-in partner. How about that.

The reason I posted the message is to give a bit of feedback regarding Morbid Jealousy and to offer advice to anyone out there that I might be able to give advice to if they are perhaps in a similar position to what I was.
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Re: Morbid Jealousy

#27  Postby nalo » Jul 20, 2012 6:44 pm

Hi. I think I need your help! My wife was diagnosed with Morbid Jealousy Disorder by a Psychiatrist six months ago and has refused to go back to explore the issues. She ran a mile as soon as the psychiatrist mentioned it. We are now left in limbo and things continue to be rather strained and I am cracking up living with this disorder. She claims she is not 'jealous' and refuses to acknowledge the distinction between 'jealousy' and 'morbid jealousy disorder'...this was made clear by the psychiatrist. Have you any advise for me, please? I firmly believe she may have other issues as well...and I often wonder about the state of her brain...lesions, etc. I welcome any advice from anyone.

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Re: Morbid Jealousy

#28  Postby Adco » Jul 21, 2012 8:09 am

Hi Nalo. This is difficult because I am not qualified to give proffesional advise and my advise might be biased as well. I will try and be neutral. This is all based on my personal experiences as well as the extensive reading I have done on the Internet.

Morbid jealousy is one of the delusional disorders. The are a few delusional disorders and you might find that your wife has a few of the others overlapping into the jealousy one. My wife had delusions of grandeur and persecutory delusions as well. Delusional disorders are linked to Schizophenia and Bi-polar though it is not a given. My wife had very slight Bi-polar tendencies. Go wiki Morbid Jealousy. When I first saw the definition, I was gobsmacked. I showed my wife the definition and she agreed that sometimes she did behave it that way. She only admitted it once and never again.

Consider the stance of someone with a delusion. It is similar to an alcoholic and a staunch theist. Until they admit they have a problem, there is absolutely nothing you can do to change their minds. I am not sure if medication will help because we never got to that stage. You have to first admit that you have a problem and that you need help before you get to the stage of taking medication. Delusional people are deluded into thinking that there is nothing wrong with them and that the rest of the world has the problem. Try climbing that mountain.

I am sure you are trying to keep your marriage intact. I tried very hard for a long time and was prepared to carry on because I had my own fears about getting divorced. In the end I had no choice because my wife said she has had enough of my screwing around and wanted a divorce. At the time this was earth shattering for me. After 30 years of marriage with 4 children I felt that I was being rejected and discarded for something I didn't do. I am not sure of your exact circumstances and can only guess that you are going through similar events. I'm waffling on a bit.

Based on hindsight, a year after my divorce, my advise is to get divorced and get yourself a new lease on life. This might sound harsh and as I said, I don't know your exact circumstances. If you feel you can cope with the divorce, I know that I thought I wouldn't but eventually did, then you will release yourself from the stress of being constantly accused of infidelity. It is soul destroying and depressing to be subjected to that kind of treatment. At the time, I felt that the way I got treated was criminal and I wanted justice. I wanted to sue my wife for all kinds of things because I felt so done in. I am over that but that is what it does to your mind. It isn't fair.

To try and justify why I would suggest a divorce is as follows: the release from the stress of unfair accusations, the way you don't have to tip-toe around in life waiting for the next flair up and the chance to get on with a more normal life is something you WILL feel immediately. Yes, there will be the heartache of the divorce and all the emotions that go with it but the long term benefits out way it all.

So,munless your wife willingly accepts her diagnosis and get genuine help, your are going to have to make a stand. It actually sets both of you free. Your wife won't have this cheating person to live with and you won't have to live with someone who constantly accuses you of screwing around. Win win. I know it is a tough one but be strong.

I really hope I have helped in some way. I am always afraid of giving the wrong advise. Keep in touch.

As a consolation, this is more common than you might think. I have met quiet a few guys that this has happened to. Just to let you know you are not alone. See if there is a support group near you and make use of your friends and family when they offer you help or support and most importantly, if you feel desperate, talk to someone before going off on a self pity mission.
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Re: Morbid Jealousy

#29  Postby byofrcs » Jul 21, 2012 8:52 am

I wonder if you could wear a tracker GPS device ? Would that give the evidence that a person who has the disease would accept they had a problem ?
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Re: Morbid Jealousy

#30  Postby Adco » Jul 21, 2012 11:26 am

byofrcs wrote:I wonder if you could wear a tracker GPS device ? Would that give the evidence that a person who has the disease would accept they had a problem ?

I am not sure. The "proof" you give has to be very convincing. I, on more than one occasion, gave proof that I was not where she thought I was but that proof was disregarded. They merely hang on to the times where you aren't able give good enough proof to clear yourself. You can show an alcoholic the damage they are causing to themselves and their loved ones and they will still drink. It is a disease where the prognosis is not always good. I see that Beatsong managed to conquer it and I congratulate her for having done that.
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Re: Morbid Jealousy

#31  Postby lobawad » Jul 21, 2012 11:57 am

byofrcs wrote:I wonder if you could wear a tracker GPS device ? Would that give the evidence that a person who has the disease would accept they had a problem ?


Reason, in my experience, only makes things worse with people who have such problems. I speak only from my own experience.
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