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Resignation Syndrome

#1  Postby Keep It Real » Oct 26, 2017 8:03 pm

For nearly two decades Sweden has been battling a mysterious illness. Called Resignation Syndrome, it affects only the children of asylum-seekers, who withdraw completely, ceasing to walk or talk, or open their eyes. Eventually they recover. But why does this only seem to occur in Sweden?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-41748485

Wow...and I thought autistic defences were a heavy response to pain....this is completely terrifying
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#2  Postby jamest » Oct 26, 2017 9:04 pm

My kids react like that when they have swede with their dinner.
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#3  Postby Keep It Real » Oct 26, 2017 9:06 pm

Oh fuck I actually laughed at that jamest....so very inappropriate given the weight of this topic
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#4  Postby jamest » Oct 26, 2017 9:25 pm

You're right, it's a serious topic. Sorry dude.
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#5  Postby Keep It Real » Oct 26, 2017 9:41 pm

Goddamn it I wish it wasn't children : (
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#6  Postby Keep It Real » Oct 26, 2017 9:48 pm

So why just Sweden? There must be something in the culture/environment...I actually think asylum seekers shouldn't go there anymore if there's a risk their children will cut off like this.
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#7  Postby jamest » Oct 26, 2017 9:56 pm

Keep It Real wrote:So why just Sweden? There must be something in the culture/environment...I actually think asylum seekers shouldn't go there anymore if there's a risk their children will cut off like this.

You know according to some sources the citizens of Sweden are amongst the happiest in the world?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report

Interestingly, three other Scandinavian countries occupy the top three places.

So, this anti-Sweden conspiracy theory is going to be a hard sell.
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#8  Postby Keep It Real » Oct 26, 2017 10:00 pm

Interesting jamest; perhaps that's the problem...the traumatised asylum seekers go to sweden and everybody/thing is so happy/contented there that the trauma they've suffered feels all the more severe....relativistic habituation
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#9  Postby jamest » Oct 26, 2017 10:13 pm

Keep It Real wrote:Interesting jamest; perhaps that's the problem...the traumatised asylum seekers go to sweden and everybody/thing is so happy/contented there that the trauma they've suffered feels all the more severe....relativistic habituation

Well Sweden is in 10th place, so this 'resignation syndrome' should also be happening in the 9 countries above them.
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#10  Postby Keep It Real » Oct 26, 2017 10:16 pm

That's assuming they correctly/accurately measured "happiness (sic)"....resignation syndrome would seem to suggest they didn't according to the relativistic habituation theory...any other theories out there?
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#11  Postby Keep It Real » Oct 27, 2017 7:54 am

bump. Fal?
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#12  Postby Fallible » Oct 28, 2017 1:55 pm

Mm?
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#13  Postby Keep It Real » Oct 28, 2017 1:56 pm

Any ideas about this?
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#14  Postby Fallible » Oct 28, 2017 2:24 pm

Well I dunno, it's thought that trauma in childhood can trigger all sorts of issues - OCD, some personality disorders, schizophrenia and so on, but I don't know how sure they are about this. I know that a response to trauma can be to draw into oneself and detach from the world at large. No idea why it should be happening only in Sweden, but I find some merit in the idea that culture may have something to do with it, as in this is how they are permitted to deal with their emotions. Just my uninformed opinion. Whatever it is, it's very sad.
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#15  Postby Keep It Real » Oct 28, 2017 5:19 pm

The hypothesis is that life-threatening catatonia in refugee children is caused psychologically, in a certain cultural environment. Alternatively, one could say that catatonia is caused in the meeting between certain cultures and Swedish conditions, since it is more common in children from certain parts of the world. We are dealing with a culture bound psychogenesis.


https://ethicsblog.crb.uu.se/2016/02/22/resignation-syndrome-in-refugee-children-a-new-hypothesis/


So this article also draws the conclusion that it is culturally derived....but it says that's a new hypothesis and TBH I'm not impressed because it makes no stipulations as to what it is in the culture causing it...me and jamest are winning lol
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#16  Postby Fallible » Oct 28, 2017 5:21 pm

Uh...ok.
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#17  Postby SafeAsMilk » Oct 28, 2017 5:46 pm

Easy enough when you're handing out participation trophies.
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#18  Postby Keep It Real » Oct 28, 2017 6:32 pm

An asserted “questioning attitude”, in particular within the health care system, it has been claimed, may constitute a “perpetuating retraumatization possibly explaining the endemic” distribution (Bodegård, 2014).


That's a a plausible hypothesis IMO

Apart from life-sustaining tube feeding, treatment amounts to promoting and maintaining a secure and hopeful environment, encouraging a sense of coherence.


hmmm...a secure and hopeful environment...according to the relativistic habituation hypothesis that would be more injurious than helpful :scratch:

Purported pre-morbid personality traits such as conscientiousness and high achieving have been reported (Forslund and Johansson, 2013).


That's understandable because sensitivity/intelligence would seem to me to be a prerequisite to feeling/suffering deeply enough to result in such a withdrawl.

In 1913, Jaspers characterized apathy: “[t]his is the term given to absence of feeling” where “there is no incentive to act” manifested “objectively in the patient not taking food, in a passive indifference to being hurt, burnt, etc. The patient would die if we did not keep him alive with feeding and nursing care”


Maybe Sweden's just so fucking boring these kids feel there's no pint in living? Reminds me of a conversation I had with my mate about the suffering of the innocents negating the good/powerful god hypothesis. It would be boring if there were no problems/suffering he said...gave me pause for thought tbh.

In the neonatal period, 15 children exhibited predisposing factors associated with attachment (preterm birth, obstetric or neonatal complications, malformations, severe infection, congenital hip dysplasia etcetera). In the toddler period 25 had exhibited behavioral anomalies or had been subject to stressors (migration, loss of primary carer, severe illness, starvation, war, threat, death in family etcetera). Only a few individuals failed to demonstrate predisposing factors altogether.


So there are some RS sufferers who did not suffer identifiable strong trauma before they went to Sweden....that would seem to go against the relativistic habituation theory....perhaps the fact that most sufferers had suffered identifiable strong trauma might purely predispose them to RS because it increased their sensitivity/intelligence?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4731541/
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#19  Postby Keep It Real » Oct 28, 2017 7:58 pm

At the present time, the number of single people is one of the highest in the world. The early Swedish film I Am Curious (Yellow) (1967) reflected a liberal view of sexuality, including scenes of love making that caught international attention, and introduced the concept of the "Swedish sin" that had been introduced earlier in the US with Ingmar Bergman's Summer with Monika.

The image of "hot love and cold people" emerged.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden

That was the only thing on the wikipage that stood out for me.
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#20  Postby Keep It Real » Oct 28, 2017 7:59 pm

It is rare that you were witness a Swede demonstrating anger or strong emotion in public.


google search swedish culture
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