Sacrifice Holograms - widespread barriers to much success?

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Re: Sacrifice Holograms - widespread barriers to much success?

#61  Postby Cito di Pense » Feb 06, 2020 6:23 pm

Fallible wrote:If warnings to stop smoking created the desire to smoke, where did the smokers come from?


That's almost a Zen koan. :cheers:
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#62  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 06, 2020 6:24 pm

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Keep It Real wrote:qualifications in psychology


That's a mixed bag, KIR. No qualification is absolute, and reputation depends on one's capacity to demonstrate the expertise that the qualification supposedly underwrites. We can cut this short and just talk about the pointlessness of credential debates in this environment.



I rather disagree they're pointless Cito. Speaking for myself, because of my strong academic qualifications in psychology, which are my primary qualifications, truth be told, I have largely and often considered myself to BE a psychologist, regardless of the day job, or lack thereof. That has lead, over the decades, to my feeling comfortable and confident in MY field and so reading and learning and improving on my knowledge of MY subject over the years, or at least I HOPE I've improved lolz...surely a bit ; )
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Re: Sacrifice Holograms - widespread barriers to much success?

#63  Postby Cito di Pense » Feb 06, 2020 6:30 pm

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Cito di Pense wrote:
Keep It Real wrote:qualifications in psychology


That's a mixed bag, KIR. No qualification is absolute, and reputation depends on one's capacity to demonstrate the expertise that the qualification supposedly underwrites. We can cut this short and just talk about the pointlessness of credential debates in this environment.



I rather disagree they're pointless Cito. Speaking for myself, because of my strong academic qualifications in psychology, which are my primary qualifications, truth be told, I have largely and often considered myself to BE a psychologist, regardless of the day job, or lack thereof. That has lead, over the decades, to my feeling comfortable and confident in MY field and so reading and learning and improving on my knowledge of MY subject over the years, or at least I HOPE I've improved lolz...surely a bit ; )


Then you don't need explicitly to mention (to others) your qualifications, which mention is not automatically recognized purely as a statement of how you see yourself.

How can you fail to see the different functions of reporting your self-image and reporting your "qualifications"?
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#64  Postby Fallible » Feb 06, 2020 6:40 pm

Thing is I recognise the ways in which my formal training is lacking, one of which is that the entire field is lacking in empirical data to back up its theories. We are floundering around, trying to catch up. However, I do balk at the idea that because there are large gaps, and what we think we know we don’t actually know and is open to being discredited, and frequently is, any auld geezer with a thought falling out his head has to have his latest pet idea greeted with reverence just because it fell out in the vicinity of other people. Just because a field lacks rigour, doesn’t mean there’s none.

Edit: ffs, you consider yourself to be a psychologist?? No one who diagnoses their ex on a whim and tries to diagnose people over an Internet forum via links should be anywhere near such a statement. I’m not on the same fucking planet as such a statement, and I’ve been working in this field for over 10 years. You need a license. Got one of those? You got a doctorate? A Masters? Almost every psychologist’s title is a protected title, did you know that? Are you in the HCPC? What you are is an amateur enthusiast, just like I am with History. I have a high level qualification in it, I still don’t call myself a historian.
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#65  Postby Fallible » Feb 06, 2020 6:43 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
Fallible wrote:If warnings to stop smoking created the desire to smoke, where did the smokers come from?


That's almost a Zen koan. :cheers:


I added a new blood pressure med. It’s probably that.
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#66  Postby SafeAsMilk » Feb 06, 2020 6:48 pm

Keep It Real wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:
Keep It Real wrote:qualifications in psychology


That's a mixed bag, KIR. No qualification is absolute, and reputation depends on one's capacity to demonstrate the expertise that the qualification supposedly underwrites. We can cut this short and just talk about the pointlessness of credential debates in this environment.



I rather disagree they're pointless Cito. Speaking for myself, because of my strong academic qualifications in psychology, which are my primary qualifications, truth be told, I have largely and often considered myself to BE a psychologist, regardless of the day job, or lack thereof. That has lead, over the decades, to my feeling comfortable and confident in MY field and so reading and learning and improving on my knowledge of MY subject over the years, or at least I HOPE I've improved lolz...surely a bit ; )

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#67  Postby Spearthrower » Feb 06, 2020 6:50 pm

Speaking for myself, because of my strong academic qualifications in psychology, which are my primary qualifications, truth be told, I have largely and often considered myself to BE a psychologist, regardless of the day job, or lack thereof.


:lol:

Wow, what a load of unmitigated bollocks.

I've just decided that my strong qualifications in jurisprudence allow me to consider myself the judge, jury and executioner, and my professional verdict is that you're guilty of blagging bollocks at people on the internet to try and scrape together some status that you can't acquire through exposition of ideas.


Amusing timing given JJ's little tizz too.
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#68  Postby Spearthrower » Feb 06, 2020 6:51 pm

Fallible wrote:Edit: ffs, you consider yourself to be a psychologist?? No one who diagnoses their ex on a whim and tries to diagnose people over an Internet forum via links should be anywhere near such a statement. I’m not on the same fucking planet as such a statement, and I’ve been working in this field for over 10 years. You need a license. Got one of those? You got a doctorate? A Masters? Almost every psychologist’s title is a protected title, did you know that? Are you in the HCPC? What you are is an amateur enthusiast, just like I am with History. I have a high level qualification in it, I still don’t call myself a historian.



Oh but he considers himself such, so he is.

Wasn't he an economist last time? I lose track with all these self-declared experts.
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#69  Postby scott1328 » Feb 06, 2020 6:53 pm

I said "post some child storybook picture art"? NOT... whatever this is.
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#70  Postby Fallible » Feb 06, 2020 6:56 pm

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#71  Postby felltoearth » Feb 06, 2020 6:58 pm

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felltoearth wrote:Jesus, someone who is trained in psychology is telling you she can’t make heads or tails of what you’ve written. This is your failure or t(e failure of the source material. That’s what Fal is trying to figure out. It’s not a trick.


I have qualifications in psychology too fellto, in case you didn't know.

Well then you have no fucking excuse.
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#72  Postby SafeAsMilk » Feb 06, 2020 7:09 pm

Wealp, looks like from now on I'll be hiring internet shit posters instead of qualified, experienced professionals for all my future needs. Plumbers, doctors, mechanics, you name it, if you can actually find a source for your claim then I don't want anything to do with you. Revolutionary geniuses only, please.
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#73  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 06, 2020 11:27 pm

Training is for...hounds. Me? I'm a free thinker. TTFN ratskep.
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#74  Postby Fallible » Feb 06, 2020 11:31 pm

Pathetic.
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#75  Postby SafeAsMilk » Feb 06, 2020 11:41 pm

Keep It Real wrote:Training is for...hounds. Me? I'm a free thinker. TTFN ratskep.

Yes, I'd say 'free of thinking' defines your output pretty well :lol:
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#76  Postby Spearthrower » Feb 07, 2020 12:49 am

Keep It Real wrote:Training is for...hounds. Me? I'm a free thinker.


You missed a preposition.


Keep It Real wrote:TTFN ratskep.


Yeah whatever. Draaaaaaama! :boohoo:
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#77  Postby Hermit » Feb 07, 2020 1:19 am

Keep It Real wrote:Sacrifice Holograms – where one has a very bad habit, but "unconsciously" deduces there MUST be a powerful reason to continue with that habit due to the fact one DOES continue. The worse the habit,the more numerous and strong reasons to discontinue with it, the more powerful the holographic image in the mind of an enormously powerful reason to continue. The longer the habit's been going on? Same thing. The truth? There is no large sacrifice to be made: 99.9% of the monstrosity is just a mental hologram born of the enormity of the reasons to do the right thing, when doing wrong.

Strictly speaking for myself: Whatever reason I had to start smoking (Marlboro Man, basically, but also metaphorically, for I started smoking years before I had ever seen one of those ads on billboards, TV, magazines or anywhere else) has disappeared in a cloud of smoke, so to speak, many years ago. Your concept of a mental hologram stopping me from quitting cigarettes sucks donkey balls. There is one reason, and one reason only why I still smoke, and it is physical - the addictive property of nicotine.
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#78  Postby SafeAsMilk » Feb 07, 2020 3:22 am

You mean the government telling you to stop isn't the thing that keeps you going? Are you sure? Them holograms can be tricky.
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#79  Postby Hermit » Feb 07, 2020 4:21 am

SafeAsMilk wrote:You mean the government telling you to stop isn't the thing that keeps you going?

Yeah, well, post #30, wherein KIR states "[Smokers] think "smoking must be sooooo good if the government needs to scream in our faces like this constantly in order to even TRY and make us quit, so if I WERE to quit I'd clearly be giving up something delicious and delightful..." is so absurd, I was going to sneak up to it very gradually and surreptitiously ( Image ) before addressing it explicitly. But now you've spoilt that for me. Thanks a lot, SAM! :rage:

I think KIR's posts in this thread reveal a whole lot more about his current state of mind than whatever he decides to talk about. It's not just the one I cited above. Post #53, in which he describes the idea that one ought to be able to support one's interpretation of someone else's work with relevant quotes from said oeuvre as "fucking stupid", is pretty weird too. Even weirder than throwing a tantrum (Post #42) after you pointed out to him that you had quoted actual words from the author of the material under discussion.
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#80  Postby sean_w » Feb 08, 2020 3:51 pm

This is one of the more confused things I've heard about addiction and its treatment. I like the much simpler explanation that people use because it feels good.
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