The secular alternative to AA is alcohol.

Gallstones wrote:The secular alternative to AA is alcohol.

The best way to sober up is an eight-ball of cocaine I have found.

SpeedOfSound wrote:

Gallstones wrote:The secular alternative to AA is alcohol.

The best way to sober up is an eight-ball of cocaine I have found.

And what is the best way to get off cocaine?

Gallstones wrote:

SpeedOfSound wrote:

Gallstones wrote:The secular alternative to AA is alcohol.

The best way to sober up is an eight-ball of cocaine I have found.

And what is the best way to get off cocaine?

Vodka!

SpeedOfSound wrote:

Gallstones wrote:

SpeedOfSound wrote:
The best way to sober up is an eight-ball of cocaine I have found.

And what is the best way to get off cocaine?

Vodka!

SpeedOfSound wrote:

Gallstones wrote:

SpeedOfSound wrote:
The best way to sober up is an eight-ball of cocaine I have found.

And what is the best way to get off cocaine?

Vodka!

No.
Ten days in King's Canyon alone.

First three days were rough.



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Yeah. I spent the whole three days searching for mushrooms.

SpeedOfSound wrote:Yeah. I spent the whole three days searching for mushrooms.

I collected kindling in a bucket.

I have a nice souvenir, a perforation goes right through my septum. It was hard earned too.

I'm 4+ years sober now and happier than ever in my life except maybe when I was 9. I am eternally grateful that I am an addict and that I was as hopeless an addict as I was. Wouldn't trade a single bit of that hell. I think I must be the luckiest person to have ever lived.

I tried sobriety--did it for 18 years--then a year or so ago, threw in the towel.
What do I have to sober for?

Gallstones wrote:I tried sobriety--did it for 18 years--then a year or so ago, threw in the towel.
What do I have to sober for?

Be sober for the day!

I went to Sam's club and I now have thirty-six pair of brand new matching socks!

..and my new book Large Scale Neuronal Theories of the Brain arrived today.

SpeedOfSound wrote:

Gallstones wrote:I tried sobriety--did it for 18 years--then a year or so ago, threw in the towel.
What do I have to sober for?

Be sober for the day!

I went to Sam's club and I now have thirty-six pair of brand new matching socks!

I am sober when I run out of whiskey. And that can last a week.
Sober is overrated.

I love new socks.

SpeedOfSound wrote:..and my new book Large Scale Neuronal Theories of the Brain arrived today.

Currently I eagerly await delivery of The Ultimate Yardbirds--2 discs and 36 tracks. Plus replacement Pallas Athena brass, Signal Corps patch and Good Conduct medal.

I'm going to put them on my summer hat.
I just need sergeant bars to complete the ensemble.
Then, when the young chippies at the bar are wearing their fashionable ball caps with the patches and beads and glitter, I can rub their noses in the fact that I earned every one of my embellishments. Then kick their soft, pudgy asses when they say something stupid.


Does your book mention manic-depression?




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LifeRing is a secular alternative:
http://lifering.org/

Oddly enough, a good place to start to find alternatives would be the wikipedia entry on AA, which goes into such secular alternatives.

Willpower. Ambition. Pride.

Tried AA but all that focus on alcohol just made me want to drink. The trick to not drinking is not to focus on it imo, says this wiley old ex-alcoholic of 3 days - get a hobby. I'm writing a novel me.

Went to another AA meeting the other day - the reading from the big book was about grasping spirituality, and the guest speaker (5 years dry, but still going to aa and describing himself as an alcoholic, like somebody who's been dry from alcohol for 5 years is a problem drinker FFS) went on at length about how he "fought against belief in a higher power for most of his life, because he was so arrogant he refused to be told what to believe" - I walked out at that point. Calling me arrogant for being a rational atheist. Fuck aa sideways.

Oh yeah, also at this particular meeting (the worst one I've ever been to actually, and the first in this town) in the preamble the speaker said that one of the meeting's rules was that "men should only speak to men and women should only speak to women" - never mind an overly theistic tone, it bore a resemblance to sharia law! FFS.

As I said two years ago, www.smartrecovery.org