Stone-throwing chimps leave scientists stumped

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Re: Stone-throwing chimps leave scientists stumped

#21  Postby SafeAsMilk » Mar 05, 2016 5:37 pm

Not a single person has noticed the pun in the thread title? I thought you guys were better than that. I'm leafing :sigh:
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Re: Stone-throwing chimps leave scientists stumped

#22  Postby Hobbes Choice » Mar 05, 2016 5:45 pm

You do not get stumped with stones, but with a CRICKET BALL.
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#23  Postby Hobbes Choice » Mar 05, 2016 5:49 pm

laklak wrote:My brother in law beats his avocado tree with an old motorcycle drive chain. Claims it produces more fruit.


If you stop watering your greenhouse crop of Cannabis, you will find that the pants respond by growing less leaf matter and tend to make "Fruiting Bodies". That's Buds or Male Flowers. They all make more oil to stop water loss. WIN WIN.
Make sure the plants do not wither and die though.
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#24  Postby Evolving » Mar 05, 2016 5:51 pm

Hobbes Choice wrote:You do not get stumped with stones, but with a CRICKET BALL.


And you don't get stumped by someone throwing something. Run out, perhaps.
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#25  Postby Hobbes Choice » Mar 05, 2016 5:54 pm

Evolving wrote:
Hobbes Choice wrote:You do not get stumped with stones, but with a CRICKET BALL.


And you don't get stumped by someone throwing something. Run out, perhaps.


Er, yes you do - you can get stumped by the bowler knocking out your stumps, (can't you?).

In any event the word "Stump" literally means stumble and is not directly related to throwing. - so only a pun to the English middle classes.
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#26  Postby Evolving » Mar 05, 2016 6:25 pm

Hobbes Choice wrote:[
Er, yes you do - you can get stumped by the bowler knocking out your stumps, (can't you?).


No, that's "bowled". It's the wicketkeeper who stumps you (even the most proletarian one).
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#27  Postby Hobbes Choice » Mar 06, 2016 12:43 pm

Evolving wrote:
Hobbes Choice wrote:[
Er, yes you do - you can get stumped by the bowler knocking out your stumps, (can't you?).


No, that's "bowled". It's the wicketkeeper who stumps you (even the most proletarian one).


Okay - I'm not posh enough to have played cricket.
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Re: Stone-throwing chimps leave scientists stumped

#28  Postby DavidMcC » Mar 06, 2016 1:21 pm

Maybe the stone-throwing is stress-relief for pent-up chimps. :dunno:
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#29  Postby DavidMcC » Mar 06, 2016 2:56 pm

Assuminng that is the case, sometimes, this site could do with a tree to throw stones at. That way, I wouldn't get so many thrown at me (metaphorically speaking, of course!).
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#30  Postby DavidMcC » Mar 06, 2016 3:09 pm

... Perhaps they should watch the chimps who throw the stones at the tree more carefully (including the period leading up to the stone-throwing), to see if it is likely that it really is for stress relief.
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#31  Postby The_Piper » Mar 06, 2016 3:17 pm

The other explanations of it being a territorial behavior or adding to an aggressive display seem more plausible.
The stoner chimps. :teef:
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#32  Postby igorfrankensteen » Mar 06, 2016 3:33 pm

This is another in long line of subjects which we History types have observed for eons now (well, none of us are eons old, but you know what I mean), which aren't nearly as illuminating or thought provoking in and of themselves, than they are illuminating about the OBSERVERS WHO ARE ARGUING ABOUT THE OBSERVATIONS.

Among our Archaeologist brethren, for example, there is a joke that whenever something is found on a dig, which doesn't obviously relate to some well-known industry, or immediate sexual conquest, that it should be described as being 'religious' in nature.

We also see how many people still insist that despite claiming to believe that human beings evolved right here on Earth, that somehow we are entirely different from every other creature. Especially in that WE do stuff for abstract reasons like humor, or entertainment, or fun, or because hey, there was this rock, and I felt like picking it up, and after I did, I wanted to pretend I did it for a cool reason, so I threw it at a tree, or placed it somewhere else carefully. That we're the only creatures with imaginations, the only critters who do random stuff just because we can, and so on.

I myself, have had dogs use sarcasm on me. And seen cats play practical jokes on each other. And on and on.
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#33  Postby Alan B » Mar 06, 2016 3:39 pm

Perhaps a Chimp threw a stone at a tree, it bounced back and hit the Chimp. Thus 'proving' that trees are animate (according to the other Chimp observers). So they all try it to get the tree to interact again.

Reading into this behaviour that the Chimps believe in Gawd is anthropocentric 'reasoning' gone mad.
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Re: Stone-throwing chimps leave scientists stumped

#34  Postby DavidMcC » Mar 06, 2016 3:42 pm

The_Piper wrote:The other explanations of it being a territorial behavior or adding to an aggressive display seem more plausible.
The stoner chimps. :teef:
...

I agree, and you are probably right, but there would then have to be an audience for the stone-throwing. Unfortunately, the OP article doesn't mention whether there was such an audience.

An audience for the behaviour of a social animal is obviously crucial, so it is unfortunate that the article seems to have been written by someone who doesn't understand that.
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#35  Postby DavidMcC » Mar 06, 2016 3:47 pm

It's worth noting that captive chimps sometimes throw stones at the people who come to watch them, so it might be just an expression of anger and frustration at captivity when there's not much of an audience, perhaps just a camera (that the chimp might not realise is watching).
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Re: Stone-throwing chimps leave scientists stumped

#36  Postby Evolving » Mar 06, 2016 3:47 pm

DavidMcC wrote:...audience.


Obviously God.

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#37  Postby laklak » Mar 06, 2016 3:49 pm

Couldn't the observer be a photon?
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#38  Postby Alan B » Mar 06, 2016 3:51 pm

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#39  Postby Evolving » Mar 06, 2016 3:55 pm

Good find, and a fascinating watch.

Funny lot, aren't they, chimps.
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#40  Postby Evolving » Mar 06, 2016 3:57 pm

igorfrankensteen wrote:
I myself, have had dogs use sarcasm on me. And seen cats play practical jokes on each other. And on and on.


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