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Keep It Real wrote:The_Metatron wrote:
Rubbish. Are you thinking that sexual orientation is some sort of a thing you can like or dislike? A matter of taste? Do you even think changing channels is even possible? I don't.
The APA says people realise they are gay, straight or bi at different times during their lives.
Keep It Real wrote: I'm certainly aware of many case studies where lesbians move into straight relationships, or people renounce their historic heterosexuality for homosexuality. People do change channels sometimes.
Keep It Real wrote:My orientation is simply what I am. I didn't choose this, I didn't think about it to consider what would be more "satisfying". It is as much a part of me as my considerable height, my hauntingly deep brown eyes, my distinguished greying but complete head of hair, and my chiseled, rugged good looks. I see no reason to suggest the same wouldn't apply for anyone of any other sexual orientation, or any other trait they didn't choose, but were born possessing.
The evidence suggests people are not born with their sexual orientation (20% concordance for monozygotic twins and homosexuality).
Keep It Real wrote:
Anyway; I've moved away from that now - the fact many people aren't homophobic (including myself) would seem to negate the evolutionary psychology explanation for it.
Keep It Real wrote:You don't think that people can change?
Keep It Real wrote: I swear down I'm not homophobic anymore.
Keep It Real wrote: There's no such thing as choice.
Keep It Real wrote: People do change; as they learn and are buffeted by their environmental experiences and genetics.
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Keep It Real wrote:OK so I know why I'm not homophobic anymore. In order not to be homophobic one needs to realise it would be absolutely fine if one was gay - otherwise one is always afraid deep down that one is merely in denial and secretly harbours homosexual desires, although one is not consciously aware of them at the time.
Keep It Real wrote:oops - did it again - embarrassment is not compatible with the view that we do not have free will. Doh!
Keep It Real wrote:OK so I know why I'm not homophobic anymore. In order not to be homophobic one needs to realise it would be absolutely fine if one was gay - otherwise one is always afraid deep down that one is merely in denial and secretly harbours homosexual desires, although one is not consciously aware of them at the time.
SafeAsMilk wrote:I don't buy this "everyone who's homophobic is secretly gay" nonsense.
SafeAsMilk wrote:
I've no doubt there are plenty of homophobic people out there for whom their heterosexuality isn't in question. They just find gay sex repulsive, which isn't surprising because they're heterosexual.
SafeAsMilk wrote:It is demonstrably absolutely fine to be gay, and no meaningful or relevant reason has been presented as to why it's not.
Keep It Real wrote:Keep It Real wrote:OK so I know why I'm not homophobic anymore. In order not to be homophobic one needs to realise it would be absolutely fine if one was gay - otherwise one is always afraid deep down that one is merely in denial and secretly harbours homosexual desires, although one is not consciously aware of them at the time.SafeAsMilk wrote:I don't buy this "everyone who's homophobic is secretly gay" nonsense.
Me neither and I didn't advocate that view in the quoted post above. I think most, if not all homophobes, are afraid that if they accept homosexuality as normal and perfectly OK and satisfying they will become gay themselves; that they harbour unconscious repressed homosexuality hidden in their mind. This explains why they are repulsed by homosexual images too.
SafeAsMilk wrote:
I've no doubt there are plenty of homophobic people out there for whom their heterosexuality isn't in question. They just find gay sex repulsive, which isn't surprising because they're heterosexual.
I think it is surprising and inexplicable without my explanation above. I'm pretty damn sure I could watch male gay porn no probs and it would be like watching paint dry (wouldn't want to see any scat elements 'cos I do find that repulsive but that's a different story altogether).
SafeAsMilk wrote:It is demonstrably absolutely fine to be gay, and no meaningful or relevant reason has been presented as to why it's not.
These days in most countries most of the time yes. There are still a lot of homophobes out there however unfortunately so it's not totally peace yet.
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