Understanding Homophobia
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Understanding Homophobia
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by Keep It Real » May 28, 2015 9:02 am
After posting in another thread it seems to me there is a large environmental component in sexual orientation formation. Would not a Darwinian organism wish to avoid exposure to possibly transmissible homosexuality memes? I'm not homophobic but I think it is understandable. I don't know why I'm not homophobic. It seems understandable to me.
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#2 by Thomas Eshuis » May 28, 2015 9:11 am
First of all, I wish people would drop the adjective Darwinian.
Yes Darwin gave us the origin of species and the foundation of ToE, but the science has moved on since then.
Secondly, I don't think homophobia is actually a thing in and of itself, but rather an expression of a general fear/dislike in humans for things being alien/different.
Yes Darwin gave us the origin of species and the foundation of ToE, but the science has moved on since then.
Secondly, I don't think homophobia is actually a thing in and of itself, but rather an expression of a general fear/dislike in humans for things being alien/different.
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"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#3 by Thomas Eshuis » May 28, 2015 9:12 am
Also wtf are transmissible homosexuality memes?
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#4 by Keep It Real » May 28, 2015 9:18 am
guess.
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#5 by Thomas Eshuis » May 28, 2015 9:18 am
Keep It Real wrote:guess.
No, tell.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#6 by Keep It Real » May 28, 2015 9:22 am
This thread's gonna drop like Hiroshima.
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#7 by Thomas Eshuis » May 28, 2015 9:24 am
Keep It Real wrote:This thread's gonna drop like Hiroshima.
If you're not being serious about this, then yes.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#8 by Keep It Real » May 28, 2015 9:26 am
What do you think are the causes of non religious homophobia Mr Eshuis?
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#9 by Thomas Eshuis » May 28, 2015 9:29 am
Keep It Real wrote:What do you think are the causes of non religious homophobia Mr Eshuis?
I already mentioned that in my first post: a general fear instinct in humans of the alien, in this case manifesting as homophobia because the notion is so strange and incomprehensible to the homophobe that he instinctively dislikes it.
This is excluding of course self-hating homosexuals, which is mostly due to societal norms and pressure.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#10 by Keep It Real » May 28, 2015 9:33 am
And do you think it possible that somebody might fear/despise the idea of becoming a homosexual because that would mean they could no longer experience procreative intercourse?
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#11 by Thomas Eshuis » May 28, 2015 9:35 am
Keep It Real wrote:And do you think it possible that somebody might fear/despise the idea of becoming a homosexual because that would mean they could no longer experience procreative intercourse?
I think that might happen to people growing up in a culture where procreative intercourse is given a semi-sacred status.
Gay people can still procreate by the way.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#12 by Keep It Real » May 28, 2015 9:37 am
aaah but not experience procreative intercourse - the act of intercourse is excluded.
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#13 by Thomas Eshuis » May 28, 2015 9:39 am
Keep It Real wrote:aaah but not experience procreative intercourse - the act of intercourse is excluded.
Eh how exactly do you experience procreative sex?
What makes it susbtantially different as an experience?
AFAIK, people don't experience that they've just become impregnated/impregnated someone.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#14 by Rachel Bronwyn » May 28, 2015 9:44 am
People have non-procreative intercourse every time they successfully use contraception.
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#15 by Keep It Real » May 28, 2015 9:45 am
Rachel Bronwyn wrote:People have non-procreative intercourse every time they successfully use contraception.
It feels like procreative intercourse though.
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#16 by Rachel Bronwyn » May 28, 2015 9:55 am
Sure doesn't when a condoms being used.
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#17 by Keep It Real » May 28, 2015 9:56 am
Not fair! That's a distortion.
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#18 by Thomas Eshuis » May 28, 2015 10:32 am
Rachel Bronwyn wrote:People have non-procreative intercourse every time they successfully use contraception.
Not to mention there's more ways to have sex than jut penis in vagina.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#19 by Rachel Bronwyn » May 28, 2015 11:02 am
And straight people have sex more ways than just penis in vagina. Straight sex is not just intercourse.
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Re: Understanding Homophobia
#20 by Shrunk » May 28, 2015 11:19 am
Keep It Real wrote:What do you think are the causes of non religious homophobia Mr Eshuis?
Gay people? Is that your point?
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