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In general, it is permissible to benefit from most electrical objects during Shabbat, provided they are preset before the start of Shabbat, and the status of the appliance is not manually modified during Shabbat. These include lights, heating, and air conditioning.
Main article: Cooking on Shabbat
Food may be kept hot when it is cooked before the start of Shabbat. There are various laws governing how this food is kept hot and served. Often, a blech or crock pot is used for this purpose.
[edit] Refrigerators
Though most Shabbat observant Jews permit opening and closing a refrigerator during Shabbat, some authorities require that the door only be opened when the refrigerator motor is already running. Otherwise, the motor will be caused to go on sooner by the increase in temperature indirectly caused by the flow of heat from the outside. Most refrigerators and freezers automatically set the motor to turn on and blow cold air whenever the thermometer registers a temperature that is too high to keep the food cold. However, Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach and most authorities permit opening the door because this result is indirect, and because there are additional grounds to be lenient.[16]
Additionally, any incandescent light which is triggered upon opening the door must be disconnected before Shabbat. It is not permitted to open the door if the light will turn on because, unlike with the motor running, the light turning on is a Biblical prohibition whereas the motor running may be a Rabbinic prohibition, and also, the light is turned on immediately as an effect of opening the refrigerator whereas the motor turning on is an indirect effect.[17]
[edit] Thermostats
Sparks
Intentionally creating sparks is prohibited as igniting a fire. Turning on some electrical appliances may generate sparks, but contemporary authorities do not consider this a reason to prohibit. The lighting of sparks is unintentional and might not occur, and the sparks are very small so they might not be considered final. With solid-state technology the probability of generating sparks is greatly reduced.
Some rabbinic authorities have questioned that if a thermostat for a heating or air conditioning system is set prior to the start of Shabbat, if changes made to the temperature of the room in which the thermostat is contained may impact the system's on/off status. Of particular concern is action that intentionally triggers the thermostat; for example, if the thermostat is set to turn on the room's heat, and an occupant of the room wishes the heater would turn on, opening a window to allow cold air into the room, thereby triggering the heat to turn on.
While most rabbis have ruled that the example of intentionally letting cold air into the room constitutes a violation of Shabbat, if the person opens the window for some other legitimate reason, and the cold air passage happens to be a side effect of his/her actions, no violation has occurred. Additionally, most agree that one who has no intention whatsoever as to the on/off status of the system, but his/her action impacts the status as an unintended affect, no violation has occurred.
A small number of rabbinical authorities have completely outlawed the use of heating/cooling systems controlled by a thermostat on Shabbat, declaring that human actions that trigger the system to turn on/off constitute a violation, regardless of intention.
[edit] Lighting
A lamp or appliance containing a light bulb may not be turned on or off during Shabbat. However, a timer can be set to turn a light on and off at fixed times. (See below regarding the "Shabbat clock.")
The Shabbat lamp is a special lamp in which the electricity remains on, but the light can be blocked out, thereby allowing the room that it is in to be dark or light at will. The lamp is constructed in such a manner that turning it "on" or "off" while powered on does not violate the laws of Shabbat. Specifically, the lamp operates by allowing the rotation of an outer shade that alternates between covering and uncovering a lamp that was pre-lit (before the onset of Shabbat) under the shade. Such concepts have existed in Talmudic literature, but have recently been commercialized by companies such as Kosher Lamp.
[edit] Television and radio
Most rabbinical authorities have prohibited watching television during Shabbat, even if the TV is turned on before the start of Shabbat, and its settings are not changed. However, most rabbis have permitted preprogramming a video cassette recorder or other similar appliances to record television programming during Shabbat for viewing thereafter.
Most authorities also prohibit turning on or listening to a radio. The reason is, although electrical current is not turned on, the radio makes a loud noise, falling under the Rabbinic prohibition of making a noise with an instrument designed to make noise. However, it may be permitted to turn up the volume of a radio that is already on because many authorities permit adding to an electrical current. Rabbi Eliezer Waldenberg prohibits changing the station on a radio using a dial, but Rabbi Auerbach permits this.[18]
Regardless of permissibility, all authorities feel that watching television, listening to a radio, or use of appliances for similar purposes on Shabbat violates the spirit of Shabbat and is not optimal.
[edit] Computers and similar appliances
While some authorities agree that the manipulation of a computer or any other appliance with a display screen (such as a digital watch or cellphone) is prohibited on Shabbos because of the use of electricity, other laws of Shabbat may also be broken when using a computer. One might be concerned that the acts of writing and erasing are performed, since one's actions on the keyboard or other control instrument impact what is displayed on the monitor. However, as Rav Gedalyah Rabinowitz pointed out in Halachah Urefu'ah (vol. V), words which appear on a computer screen are actually flickering many times a second. Therefore, the text on a computer screen can hardly be compared to written text. Text that appears on a computer console is not granted any permanence at all. In fact, words on a console cannot even be classified as semi-permanent writing, which may not be erased due to rabbinic decree (Shabbat 120b); it is not considered writing at all and one may even "erase" one of the Holy Names (of God) if it is displayed on the screen.
It is also questionable if the use of a keyboard, or other control instrument, to change what is displayed is a direct effect. Additionally, some of the action on the screen that occurs while the controls are manipulated are based on the preprogrammed behavior of the device rather than the person's actions. Even if the display was turned on prior to the start of Shabbat, and the on/off status of all lights remains the same throughout, other acts may constitute some violation. However, the use of a computer would be "Uvdin d'Chol" (weekday/mundane activities) which are prohibited rabbinically in order to preserve the spirit of sanctity of the sabbath by prevneting one form doing unrequired chores, gruling tasks and weekday-specific activities on the sabbath.
[edit] Clocks and watches
A clock may be used to view the time during Shabbat, since it is not touched or affected in any way by viewing it, and a watch may be worn during Shabbat. But an alarm clock should not be set before Shabbat, because one may forget upon awakening that it is Shabbat, and may turn it off. Some rabbis[who?] permit the use of an alarm clock if the shutoff switch is covered or some other object is put in place that would remind the user that it is Shabbat.[citation needed]
[edit] Telephones
Like other electrical appliances, telephones are bound by similar restrictions on Shabbat. Operating a telephone may involve separate prohibitions at each stage of the operation. Thus, removing a telephone from the receiver to produce a dial tone closes a circuit and makes a noise. Dialing closes more circuits and creates more noises. Speaking on the phone increases an existing current, but Rabbi Auerbach and many other authorities permit this. Hanging up the phone opens a circuit, which is a Biblical prohibition of "destroying" according to the Chazon Ish but a Rabbinic prohibition according to others.[19]
Dialing on many phones, including cell phones, also causes the numbers to be written on a display screen, thus violating the prohibition of writing (even though the writing is not permanent). If a phone call must be made on Shabbat, other factors being equal, it is preferable to use a phone without a display screen.
It is questionable if it is permissible to use an answering machine or voicemail to receive messages left during Shabbat, since one is benefitting from a violation of Shabbat, particularly if the caller is a Jew.[20]
In some cases, the telephone may be a lifeline in the event of an emergency, in which case, the laws of Shabbat are suspended, and a life-saving phone call may be made.
In Israel, a special phone has been invented for soldiers that allows phone calls to be made with minimal desecration to Shabbat for borderline situations in which it is not known whether a life-threatening emergency is taking place.
[edit] Microphones
Main article: Shabbat microphone
There are varying views on the use of a microphone during Shabbat. While most Orthodox rabbinic authorities prohibit the use of microphones, there has been some argument for allowing the use of a microphone in a synagogue that is turned on before the start of Shabbat on the basis that a microphone does not create a human voice, but rather amplifies it. Those in the majority, who forbid the microphone, have various concerns, including the conduction of electricity that is affected by the human voice, and the attention that is drawn from the sound coming from the speakers[21].
In recent years, a Shabbat microphone has been developed that broadcasts a constant sound signal, so the voice spoken into the device does not change the status of the electric current. But this innovation has not been approved by all Orthodox rabbinic authorities.
[edit] Laundry
Washing clothes is not permitted on Shabbat, whether by hand or machine. Most rabbinical authorities have prohibited allowing a washing machine or dryer to run on Shabbat, even if it is set before the start of Shabbat. If the machine is still running after Shabbat starts when this was not planned, no benefit may be derived from clothes or other objects in the appliance during that Shabbat.
[edit] Automobiles
Main article: Driving on Shabbat
While driving on Shabbat is prohibited directly because of sparks that are created by the ignition of fuel, modern automobiles also have numerous electrical components whose operation is prohibited during Shabbat. These include headlamps and other external and internal lights, turn signals, and gauges. Additionally, the operation of the vehicle involves many uses of electricity and electrical circuits.
[edit] Elevators
Main article: Shabbat elevator
Operating an elevator is generally prohibited for multiple reasons. However, Shabbat elevators have been designed automatically to travel from one floor to the next regardless of whether a human is riding the elevator or not, so many authorities permit the use of such elevators under certain circumstances.
[edit] Surveillance systems
The use of automated surveillance systems has been reviewed. Examples include closed-circuit television, video cameras, and motion detectors.[22] A passerby who walks within view of a surveillance camera may allow himself to be photographed for the benefit of the property owner, even though the photograph is not a benefit to the passerby, if he must pass by a surveillance camera to enter the building. This is called a pesik reisha delo nicha leih (Aramaic: פסיק רישא דלא ניחא ליה, loose translation: "an inevitable resultant action that does not benefit the one who indirectly caused that action").[23] However, it is prohibited to walk past a motion-sensitive light on Shabbat if the street is dark and because the turning on of the light substantively benefits the person, and it is a pesik reisha denicha leih (Aramaic: פסיק רישא דניחא ליה, loose translation: "an inevitable resultant action that does benefit the one who indirectly caused that action"). One is advised to avoid walking past the motion sensor or to close ones eyes when doing so if he or she knows that the motion sensor will activate a light switch.[24]
[edit] Static electricity
Most authorities permit separating clothes or performing other actions that might generate sparks due to static electricity.[25]



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Unbridled capitalism is a scary & destructive beast. So long as society acts to tame & control it, it works quite well.




NamelessFaceless wrote:When we were shopping for appliances we kept coming finding "kosher" as one of the features. Apparently, they can turn themselves off so you don't accidentally use them on the sabbath. And once it's set you can't override it. Imagine how irritating it would be to set your fridge to "kosher" by accident?
NamelessFaceless wrote:When we were shopping for appliances we kept coming finding "kosher" as one of the features. Apparently, they can turn themselves off so you don't accidentally use them on the sabbath. And once it's set you can't override it. Imagine how irritating it would be to set your fridge to "kosher" by accident?


Abele Derer wrote:First of all, the Sabbath - the fact that all Jews keep the same Sabbath - serves as proof for the truths of Judaism. You skeptics claim that some later dude invented the Sabbath, and, istead of taking the credit for himself, claimed that God commanded millions of their ancestors on Mount Sinai that they must keep Sabbath. If your scenario is true, then the Jews would have rejected the Torah. They would have said, "How can you claim that millions of our ancestors, the entire nation, was commanded to keep the Sabbath, while we haven't heard of the damn thing from our ancestors." It is for this very reason that the Sabbath is given such prominence in the Torah, and it incurs the death penalty, because it serves as one of the strongest proofs for Judaism.
Second, this whole blog is shockingly stupid. Your basically claiming that "since we can't understand why God would care if we light a match, it therefore must be that God did not command us not to light a match." Does that sound logical to you? If so read it again.

MrsC wrote:
There's nothing as good as combustible products.

MrsC wrote:
There's nothing as good as combustible products.

Abele Derer wrote:First of all, the Sabbath - the fact that all Jews keep the same Sabbath - serves as proof for the truths of Judaism. You skeptics claim that some later dude invented the Sabbath, and, istead of taking the credit for himself, claimed that God commanded millions of their ancestors on Mount Sinai that they must keep Sabbath. If your scenario is true, then the Jews would have rejected the Torah. They would have said, "How can you claim that millions of our ancestors, the entire nation, was commanded to keep the Sabbath, while we haven't heard of the damn thing from our ancestors." It is for this very reason that the Sabbath is given such prominence in the Torah, and it incurs the death penalty, because it serves as one of the strongest proofs for Judaism.
Second, this whole blog is shockingly stupid. Your basically claiming that "since we can't understand why God would care if we light a match, it therefore must be that God did not command us not to light a match." Does that sound logical to you? If so read it again.

MrsC wrote:
There's nothing as good as combustible products.

Abele Derer wrote:You skeptics claim that some later dude invented the Sabbath


Abele Derer wrote:This is a response to Trouble76's point. You claim that you don't want to serve the Bible's God, since He is genocidal.
1. Why? Do you not have a selfish bone in your body? This "genocidal" God promises you eternal reward, and you still ignore His word! I am impressed by your willingness to sacrifice to principle, but I doubt you really thought about the implications of your position.
2. Assuming it is God who created and sustains all life, why would it be "genocidal" for God Himself to decide to end those very lives before the "average" lifespan of, say, seventy years?
3. Where is God genocidal in the Old Testament? Although God commands the Jews to eradicate certain nations, the Oral Tradition states that the Jews were required to allow anyone who followed the "Seven Noahide Laws" to live. So only evil people were killed.
Joshua Chapter 9
1 And it came to pass, when all the kings which were on this side Jordan, in the hills, and in the valleys, and in all the coasts of the great sea over against Lebanon, the Hittite, and the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite, heard thereof;
2 That they gathered themselves together, to fight with Joshua and with Israel, with one accord.
3 And when the inhabitants of Gibeon heard what Joshua had done unto Jericho and to Ai,
4 They did work wilily, and went and made as if they had been ambassadors, and took old sacks upon their asses, and wine bottles, old, and rent, and bound up;
5 And old shoes and clouted upon their feet, and old garments upon them; and all the bread of their provision was dry and mouldy.
6 And they went to Joshua unto the camp at Gilgal, and said unto him, and to the men of Israel, We be come from a far country: now therefore make ye a league with us.
7 And the men of Israel said unto the Hivites, Peradventure ye dwell among us; and how shall we make a league with you?
8 And they said unto Joshua, We are thy servants. And Joshua said unto them, Who are ye? and from whence come ye?
9 And they said unto him, From a very far country thy servants are come because of the name of the LORD thy God: for we have heard the fame of him, and all that he did in Egypt,
10 And all that he did to the two kings of the Amorites, that were beyond Jordan, to Sihon king of Heshbon, and to Og king of Bashan, which was at Ashtaroth.
11 Wherefore our elders and all the inhabitants of our country spake to us, saying, Take victuals with you for the journey, and go to meet them, and say unto them, We are your servants: therefore now make ye a league with us.
12 This our bread we took hot for our provision out of our houses on the day we came forth to go unto you; but now, behold, it is dry, and it is mouldy:
13 And these bottles of wine, which we filled, were new; and, behold, they be rent: and these our garments and our shoes are become old by reason of the very long journey.
14 And the men took of their victuals, and asked not counsel at the mouth of the LORD.
15 And Joshua made peace with them, and made a league with them, to let them live: and the princes of the congregation sware unto them.
16 And it came to pass at the end of three days after they had made a league with them, that they heard that they were their neighbours, and that they dwelt among them.
17 And the children of Israel journeyed, and came unto their cities on the third day. Now their cities were Gibeon, and Chephirah, and Beeroth, and Kirjathjearim.
18 And the children of Israel smote them not, because the princes of the congregation had sworn unto them by the LORD God of Israel. And all the congregation murmured against the princes.
19 But all the princes said unto all the congregation, We have sworn unto them by the LORD God of Israel: now therefore we may not touch them.
20 This we will do to them; we will even let them live, lest wrath be upon us, because of the oath which we sware unto them.
21 And the princes said unto them, Let them live; but let them be hewers of wood and drawers of water unto all the congregation; as the princes had promised them.
22 And Joshua called for them, and he spake unto them, saying, Wherefore have ye beguiled us, saying, We are very far from you; when ye dwell among us?
23 Now therefore ye are cursed, and there shall none of you be freed from being bondmen, and hewers of wood and drawers of water for the house of my God.
24 And they answered Joshua, and said, Because it was certainly told thy servants, how that the LORD thy God commanded his servant Moses to give you all the land, and to destroy all the inhabitants of the land from before you, therefore we were sore afraid of our lives because of you, and have done this thing.
25 And now, behold, we are in thine hand: as it seemeth good and right unto thee to do unto us, do.
26 And so did he unto them, and delivered them out of the hand of the children of Israel, that they slew them not.
27 And Joshua made them that day hewers of wood and drawers of water for the congregation, and for the altar of the LORD, even unto this day, in the place which he should choose.

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