How old is the Yazidi religion?

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How old is the Yazidi religion?

#1  Postby Oeditor » Aug 09, 2014 12:24 pm

The first article i read about it was in the Telegraph and the author said it predated all the Abrahamic religions, being about 6000 years old. I suppose that dates it back to the beginning of the universe for the creationists: I wonder what Ken Ham makes of that?
They are scared of lettuce. They abhor pumpkins. They practise maybe the oldest religion in the world. And now, after at least 6,000 years, they are finally being exterminated, even as I write this.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100282674/death-of-a-religion-isis-and-the-yezidi/
Then as the threatened genocide by ISIS became more widely known, an article in the Guardian described it as having been invented by a Muslim Sheikh only about 1000 years ago.
A historically misunderstood group, the Yazidis are predominantly ethnically Kurdish, and have kept alive their syncretic religion for centuries, despite many years of oppression and threatened extermination.

The ancient religion is rumoured to have been founded by an 11th century Ummayyad sheikh, and is derived from Zoroastrianism (an ancient Persian faith founded by a philosopher), Christianity and Islam. The religion has taken elements from each, ranging from baptism (Christianity) to circumcision (Islam) to reverence of fire as a manifestation from God (derived from Zoroastrianism) and yet remains distinctly non-Abrahamic. This derivative quality has often led the Yazidis to be referred to as a sect.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/07/who-yazidi-isis-iraq-religion-ethnicity-mountains
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Re: How old is the Yazidi religion?

#2  Postby Animavore » Aug 09, 2014 12:29 pm

Their calender seems to begin about 6,000 years ago.

According to the Yezidi calendar, April 2012 marked the beginning of their year 6,762 (thereby year 1 would have been in 4,750 BC in the Gregorian calendar).


But their founder died in the 12th century.

The origin of the Yazidi religion is now usually seen by scholars as a complex process of syncretism, whereby the belief system and practices of a local faith had a profound influence on the religiosity of adherents of the 'Adawiyya Sufi order living in the Yezidi mountains, and caused it to deviate from Islamic norms relatively soon after the death of its founder, Shaykh 'Adī ibn Musafir, who is said to be of Umayyad descent. He settled in the valley of Laliş (some thirty-six miles north-east of Mosul) in the early 12th century. Şêx Adî himself, a figure of undoubted orthodoxy, enjoyed widespread influence. He died in 1162, and his tomb at Laliş is a focal point of Yazidi pilgrimage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidi#Origins

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Re: How old is the Yazidi religion?

#3  Postby kiore » Aug 09, 2014 12:37 pm

As they incorporate the Koran into their holy books they are effectively 'new' as far as Abramhamic faiths are concerned.
And yes their founder even more recent, suspect they are being confused with Zoroastrians in the 'oldest' category.
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Re: How old is the Yazidi religion?

#4  Postby chairman bill » Aug 09, 2014 1:07 pm

it was born out of a sun-worshipping religion, and is a syncretic mix of that & Sufi-style Islam. The sun-worshipping bit goes a long way back.
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Re: How old is the Yazidi religion?

#5  Postby Blood » Aug 09, 2014 2:25 pm

You wouldn't say, for example, Methodism was a "new religion" because they only started in the 18th Century. It's just a breakaway sect of the larger branch of Christianity. I suspect that the Yazidi religion is the same. The religious mind hates novelty; entirely "new" religions are rare.
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#6  Postby trubble76 » Aug 09, 2014 4:09 pm

Oeditor wrote:The first article i read about it was in the Telegraph and the author said it predated all the Abrahamic religions, being about 6000 years old. I suppose that dates it back to the beginning of the universe for the creationists: I wonder what Ken Ham makes of that?
They are scared of lettuce. They abhor pumpkins. They practise maybe the oldest religion in the world. And now, after at least 6,000 years, they are finally being exterminated, even as I write this.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100282674/death-of-a-religion-isis-and-the-yezidi/
Then as the threatened genocide by ISIS became more widely known, an article in the Guardian described it as having been invented by a Muslim Sheikh only about 1000 years ago.
A historically misunderstood group, the Yazidis are predominantly ethnically Kurdish, and have kept alive their syncretic religion for centuries, despite many years of oppression and threatened extermination.

The ancient religion is rumoured to have been founded by an 11th century Ummayyad sheikh, and is derived from Zoroastrianism (an ancient Persian faith founded by a philosopher), Christianity and Islam. The religion has taken elements from each, ranging from baptism (Christianity) to circumcision (Islam) to reverence of fire as a manifestation from God (derived from Zoroastrianism) and yet remains distinctly non-Abrahamic. This derivative quality has often led the Yazidis to be referred to as a sect.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/07/who-yazidi-isis-iraq-religion-ethnicity-mountains
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It seems odd to me that they attribute circumcision to Islam. Surely Judaism holds that dubious honour?
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Re: How old is the Yazidi religion?

#7  Postby RealityRules » Aug 09, 2014 11:16 pm

Zoroaster is credited with being the founder of monotheism. It's interesting he was based in what we now know as Afghanistan in the 5th/6th C BCE/BC when many of the Jewish texts, as we know them today, were being formulated nearby during the Jewish 'Babylonean exile'.
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Re: How old is the Yazidi religion?

#8  Postby Blood » Aug 11, 2014 12:08 am

"Monotheism" is a word invented in the 16th century CE, I think. It's overused. Judaism is not monotheistic; according to the original text of Deuteronomy YHWH was one of the 70 sons of El-Elyon, the idea being that El-Elyon created a god for every nation.
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Re: How old is the Yazidi religion?

#9  Postby Zwaarddijk » Aug 17, 2014 1:30 pm

RealityRules wrote:Zoroaster is credited with being the founder of monotheism. It's interesting he was based in what we now know as Afghanistan in the 5th/6th C BCE/BC when many of the Jewish texts, as we know them today, were being formulated nearby during the Jewish 'Babylonean exile'.

It's also interesting how polytheistic the texts of early zoroastrianism are!
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Re: How old is the Yazidi religion?

#10  Postby Zwaarddijk » Aug 17, 2014 1:31 pm

Blood wrote:"Monotheism" is a word invented in the 16th century CE, I think. It's overused. Judaism is not monotheistic; according to the original text of Deuteronomy YHWH was one of the 70 sons of El-Elyon, the idea being that El-Elyon created a god for every nation.

Where does the "original text of Deuteronomy" state anything like that? Just nowhere. You're adding bits to the text that are not there. That's not a very rational approach to evidence-based reasoning, is it?

(Also, fun how you use a rather peculiar semantic fallacy - just because the original version of Judaism sometime back in the mist of times - and in this case, an original version you seem to have made up out of thin air* - wasn't monotheistic, doesn't mean Judaism as we know it isn't monotheistic either.)

* Do get me right here - I think monotheistic Judaism did develop out of the polytheistic Israelite religion, and the transition probably is slightly after the first exile, with remants hanging around until the end of the second temple even - however, I do think we should take care that we don't make scenarios up out of thin air.
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Re: How old is the Yazidi religion?

#11  Postby Zwaarddijk » Aug 17, 2014 1:37 pm

trubble76 wrote:
Oeditor wrote:The first article i read about it was in the Telegraph and the author said it predated all the Abrahamic religions, being about 6000 years old. I suppose that dates it back to the beginning of the universe for the creationists: I wonder what Ken Ham makes of that?
They are scared of lettuce. They abhor pumpkins. They practise maybe the oldest religion in the world. And now, after at least 6,000 years, they are finally being exterminated, even as I write this.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100282674/death-of-a-religion-isis-and-the-yezidi/
Then as the threatened genocide by ISIS became more widely known, an article in the Guardian described it as having been invented by a Muslim Sheikh only about 1000 years ago.
A historically misunderstood group, the Yazidis are predominantly ethnically Kurdish, and have kept alive their syncretic religion for centuries, despite many years of oppression and threatened extermination.

The ancient religion is rumoured to have been founded by an 11th century Ummayyad sheikh, and is derived from Zoroastrianism (an ancient Persian faith founded by a philosopher), Christianity and Islam. The religion has taken elements from each, ranging from baptism (Christianity) to circumcision (Islam) to reverence of fire as a manifestation from God (derived from Zoroastrianism) and yet remains distinctly non-Abrahamic. This derivative quality has often led the Yazidis to be referred to as a sect.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/07/who-yazidi-isis-iraq-religion-ethnicity-mountains
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It seems odd to me that they attribute circumcision to Islam. Surely Judaism holds that dubious honour?

It's likely muslims have pushed circumcision on them - something the Jews are quite a bit less likely to have done. Get it? What is being attributed here is not who came up with an idea, but by what vector it has reached Yazidism. Positing a Judaic element is superfluous and occam's razor therefore cuts the Jews out of this picture.
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