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Re: Buddha proved- the truthful Religion is not man-made

#141  Postby paarsurrey » Feb 28, 2012 12:49 pm

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paarsurrey wrote:Buddha with his own example rescinding power and rule for enlightenment not once but twice proves that the truthful religion is not for amassing power or for exploitation of the people or for fleecing money from them. It is for a higher purpose.

Buddha refuted Christopher Hitchens assertion that religion is manmade; it is a boon from the Creator God.


So you've converted to Buddhism now?

By the way, the occasional good act does not prove the divinity of any religion.


No, I have not converted to Buddhism; Buddhism is wrong; they don't follow Buddha.

It was not an occasional and temporary act; it was a life long act that changed Buddha and those around him altogether. Buddha's light shone for centuries in the world.
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Re: Buddha proved- the truthful Religion is not man-made

#142  Postby trubble76 » Feb 28, 2012 12:53 pm

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trubble76 wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:Buddha with his own example rescinding power and rule for enlightenment not once but twice proves that the truthful religion is not for amassing power or for exploitation of the people or for fleecing money from them. It is for a higher purpose.

Buddha refuted Christopher Hitchens assertion that religion is manmade; it is a boon from the Creator God.


So you've converted to Buddhism now?

By the way, the occasional good act does not prove the divinity of any religion.


No, I have not converted to Buddhism; Buddhism is wrong; they don't follow Buddha.

It was not an occasional and temporary act; it was a life long act that changed Buddha and those around him altogether. Buddha's light shone for centuries in the world.


The current Buddhism does not follow Buddha (so you say), but if you have abandonned Islam and seek to follow the Buddha then you are a Buddhist, you are just a different type of Buddhist. Just like how you used to be a different type of muslim.
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Re: Buddha proved- the truthful Religion is not man-made

#143  Postby Scar » Feb 28, 2012 12:58 pm

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trubble76 wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:Buddha with his own example rescinding power and rule for enlightenment not once but twice proves that the truthful religion is not for amassing power or for exploitation of the people or for fleecing money from them. It is for a higher purpose.

Buddha refuted Christopher Hitchens assertion that religion is manmade; it is a boon from the Creator God.


So you've converted to Buddhism now?

By the way, the occasional good act does not prove the divinity of any religion.


No, I have not converted to Buddhism; Buddhism is wrong; they don't follow Buddha.

It was not an occasional and temporary act; it was a life long act that changed Buddha and those around him altogether. Buddha's light shone for centuries in the world.



So you say, just as you say loads of stuff. But you have yet to demonstrate that your ideas about Buddhism and Islam are true as opposed to those of those you disagree with.
That means you have to present evidence and arguments based thereof. As people have been asking you to do for months.

When are you going to do so?
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Re: Buddha proved- the truthful Religion is not man-made

#144  Postby zulumoose » Feb 28, 2012 12:59 pm

paarsurrey wrote:Buddha with his own example rescinding power and rule for enlightenment not once but twice proves that the truthful religion is not for amassing power or for exploitation of the people or for fleecing money from them. It is for a higher purpose.

Buddha refuted Christopher Hitchens assertion that religion is manmade; it is a boon from the Creator God.


Buddha proved by his actions that HE did not seek power and exploitation, nothing more.

If you are saying that what Buddha does provides proof of the truthful religion, then you are asserting that buddhism is the truthful religion, and not islam.
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Re: Buddha proved- the truthful Religion is not man-made

#145  Postby MrFungus420 » Feb 28, 2012 1:03 pm

paarsurrey wrote:Buddha with his own example rescinding power and rule for enlightenment not once but twice proves that the truthful religion is not for amassing power or for exploitation of the people or for fleecing money from them. It is for a higher purpose.


So Buddhism is the "truthful religion". Why are you a Muslim and not a Buddhist?

paarsurrey wrote:Buddha refuted Christopher Hitchens assertion that religion is manmade;


Not in any way, shape or form.

Even assuming that the myths about Buddha are any more valid than the myths about Zeus, the religion is what men created based on what Buddha had done. ALL religions are man-made.
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Re: Buddha believed in purdah?

#146  Postby AlohaChris » Feb 28, 2012 1:05 pm

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paarsurrey wrote:Buddha treated women respectfully, politely and very nicely; and it was on women’s insistence that he admitted them into his SANGHA. His wife and son joined the SANGHA one their own will and were not forced into it. It is wrong to state that Buddha hated women.


Who said Buddha hated women?


I think some poster mentioned the word misogyny against Buddha or that he was a misogynist some days ago.


You think or you know? If you're asserting it, then quote it. And, as usual, you give a one-line answer to a compound question.
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Re: Buddha taught the middle or the moderate path

#147  Postby MrFungus420 » Feb 28, 2012 1:10 pm

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chairman bill wrote:And this is no doubt leading to a claim that we can't blame Islam as a whole, or Muslims generally, for the extremists that do things in the name of Islam. And you'd be part right. We can't equally apportion blame across a community, for the acts of a few. We can point to the ideology & the support it gives to the extreme actions, and we can deem their co-religionists as complicit where they are supportive of the acts, or are not prepared to condemn them.


We Ahmadis always condemn such acts.


That's an extreme position.
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Re: Buddha taught the middle or the moderate path

#148  Postby Onyx8 » Feb 28, 2012 4:29 pm

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Onyx8 wrote:How do you know what the buddha said?


Why to doubt it when moderation is a thing to be appreciated in all ages? Is it unreasonable or against science?


No, the question was: How do you know what the Buddha said?
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Re: Buddha believed in purdah?

#149  Postby paarsurrey » Feb 28, 2012 4:37 pm

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You think or you know? If you're asserting it, then quote it. And, as usual, you give a one-line answer to a compound question.


I used the search engine of the site and now I get it:

"Buddha believed in purdah?"
#31 by Beatsong » Feb 22, 2012 10:54 pm
“As it happen I think the Buddha did do and say some wise stuff that we can learn from. But I wouldn't include the sexual repression and misogyny in that. ”
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Re: Buddha taught the middle or the moderate path

#150  Postby james1v » Feb 28, 2012 4:39 pm

paarsurrey wrote:The Sermon at Benares

Chapter 16:4-15

The Tathagata has found the middle path. [4]

"A middle path, O bhikkhus,
avoiding the two extremes, discovered by the Tathagata -
a path which opens the eyes, and bestowes understanding,
which leads to peace of mind, to the higher wisdom,
to full enlightenment, to Nirvana! [9]

"Let me teach you, O bhikkhus, the middle path,
which keeps aloof from both extremes.
. . . . . . .
[11]

http://reluctant-messenger.com/gospel_b ... ter_16.htm

If the Buddhists or the Buddhist clergy leave the middle path or the moderate one and go to extremes unauthorized; why Buddha should be blamed for it? It is not his teaching they are following.

It would just be like a Medical Doctor prescribes a medicine not to be taken orally; yet the patient takes it orally and suffers.
Will it be reasonable to blame the Doctor?


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Re: Buddha taught the middle or the moderate path

#151  Postby paarsurrey » Feb 28, 2012 4:42 pm

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paarsurrey wrote:
Onyx8 wrote:How do you know what the buddha said?


Why to doubt it when moderation is a thing to be appreciated in all ages? Is it unreasonable or against science?


No, the question was: How do you know what the Buddha said?


I think I provided the link where it is mentioned that Buddha said it; and it is reasonable and not against science to tread on a moderate path with steadfastness and get enlightenment as did Buddha get.

Should I provide the link again?
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Re: Buddha taught the middle or the moderate path

#152  Postby james1v » Feb 28, 2012 4:43 pm

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Onyx8 wrote:How do you know what the buddha said?


Why to doubt it when moderation is a thing to be appreciated in all ages? Is it unreasonable or against science?


Its a shame Mohamed was not a "moderate", there would be so much less murder today, dont you think? :think:
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Re: Buddha taught the middle or the moderate path

#153  Postby paarsurrey » Feb 28, 2012 4:44 pm

james1v wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:The Sermon at Benares

Chapter 16:4-15

The Tathagata has found the middle path. [4]

"A middle path, O bhikkhus,
avoiding the two extremes, discovered by the Tathagata -
a path which opens the eyes, and bestowes understanding,
which leads to peace of mind, to the higher wisdom,
to full enlightenment, to Nirvana! [9]

"Let me teach you, O bhikkhus, the middle path,
which keeps aloof from both extremes.
. . . . . . .
[11]

http://reluctant-messenger.com/gospel_b ... ter_16.htm

If the Buddhists or the Buddhist clergy leave the middle path or the moderate one and go to extremes unauthorized; why Buddha should be blamed for it? It is not his teaching they are following.

It would just be like a Medical Doctor prescribes a medicine not to be taken orally; yet the patient takes it orally and suffers.
Will it be reasonable to blame the Doctor?


My large...

I think someones orating, from the place made for a suppository.


I don't get you. Please
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Re: Buddha taught the middle or the moderate path

#154  Postby Steve » Feb 28, 2012 4:46 pm

What Onyx8 and james1v said.

Seriously - what does Buddha have to do with it?
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Re: Buddha proved- the truthful Religion is not man-made

#155  Postby paarsurrey » Feb 28, 2012 4:47 pm

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So Buddhism is the "truthful religion". Why are you a Muslim and not a Buddhist?



I never said that Buddhism is the truthful religion; yet Buddha believed in the truthful religion.
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Re: Buddha taught the middle or the moderate path

#156  Postby james1v » Feb 28, 2012 4:47 pm

paarsurrey wrote:
james1v wrote:
paarsurrey wrote:The Sermon at Benares

Chapter 16:4-15

The Tathagata has found the middle path. [4]

"A middle path, O bhikkhus,
avoiding the two extremes, discovered by the Tathagata -
a path which opens the eyes, and bestowes understanding,
which leads to peace of mind, to the higher wisdom,
to full enlightenment, to Nirvana! [9]

"Let me teach you, O bhikkhus, the middle path,
which keeps aloof from both extremes.
. . . . . . .
[11]

http://reluctant-messenger.com/gospel_b ... ter_16.htm

If the Buddhists or the Buddhist clergy leave the middle path or the moderate one and go to extremes unauthorized; why Buddha should be blamed for it? It is not his teaching they are following.

It would just be like a Medical Doctor prescribes a medicine not to be taken orally; yet the patient takes it orally and suffers.
Will it be reasonable to blame the Doctor?


My large...

I think someones orating, from the place made for a suppository.


I don't get you. Please



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Re: Buddha proved- the truthful Religion is not man-made

#157  Postby trubble76 » Feb 28, 2012 4:48 pm

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So Buddhism is the "truthful religion". Why are you a Muslim and not a Buddhist?



I never said that Buddhism is the truthful religion; yet Buddha believed in the truthful religion.


It sounds like you think that all buddhists have not understood buddha as well as you. I wonder if you could spare the time to explain to them where they have gone wrong.
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Re: Buddha taught the middle or the moderate path

#158  Postby paarsurrey » Feb 28, 2012 4:50 pm

Steve wrote:What Onyx8 and james1v said.

Seriously - what does Buddha have to do with it?


Thanks for explaining to me.

Hitchens has criticized Buddhists for their wrong doings against the teachings of Buddha. So the Buddhists are to be blamed not the Buddha.

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Re: Buddha proved- the truthful Religion is not man-made

#159  Postby monkeyboy » Feb 28, 2012 4:52 pm

paarsurrey wrote:
MrFungus420 wrote:

So Buddhism is the "truthful religion". Why are you a Muslim and not a Buddhist?



I never said that Buddhism is the truthful religion; yet Buddha believed in the truthful religion.


So what is the truthful religion then?
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Re: Buddha proved- the truthful Religion is not man-made

#160  Postby SafeAsMilk » Feb 28, 2012 4:53 pm

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paarsurrey wrote:
MrFungus420 wrote:

So Buddhism is the "truthful religion". Why are you a Muslim and not a Buddhist?



I never said that Buddhism is the truthful religion; yet Buddha believed in the truthful religion.


It sounds like you think that all buddhists have not understood buddha as well as you. I wonder if you could spare the time to explain to them where they have gone wrong.

Yes, I too would like to learn the Truthful Buddhism from someone who's studied it for five minutes rather than people who have studied it for their entire lives.
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