BlackBart wrote:

MarkHei wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:

Paul wrote:

Shame Anne Frank (the real one) didn't document her previous life, it might have given us some insight into why she had to suffer the way she did. Or not.

I wonder if that girl would like to tell us about her relationship with Peter. Now there is a challenge because the vital points have always been hidden.

Why don't you watch her interview or read her book?

It's on the reading list. Currently number #250 of evidenceless assertions before Doris Stokes and after Cottingley Fairies.

Skeptics are supposed to do research.

We're not going to rush off and research any old anecdote that some random Internet guy asserts is fact!

It's hard work!

I tell you what. You do the hard work. Then you can pwn us when you show us your shiny Nobel medal, how's that?

You signed up for it.

No, I signed up for the laughing at pointing at the pathetic attempts at shifting the burden of proof.

Now instead of hypothesis you should be investigating with an open mind.

Er, what?

Otherwise it's just an exercise for your non profit status.

What did that even mean?

You're very clever. That's about all I can say about you. That's all I know, because you haven't shown me any inclination of being impartial or having an open mind. I see a lot of verbal abuse and judgement and anger which must cloud your mind. You cannot differentiate between your own illusions and that which is around you.

Once you accept your own mind is a powerful and unexplained phenomenon you can grasp the power of the universe. But if you are more concerned with material existence then you're going to stumble around looking for a rock with some inscription on it. A Buddhist understands he has the power to travel faster than the speed of light in his mind. All of us can travel anywhere in the universe with just a thought. We can do time travel. These seem like illusions to you, but to a Buddhist these thoughts are a result of the interconnected nature of the universe and our memories are a part of that thread. This is what Science will never prove or disprove. It's futile.

MarkHei wrote:
You're very clever.

I know.

That's about all I can say about you. That's all I know, because you haven't shown me any inclination of being impartial or having an open mind.

Since when was I the subject of this thread?

I see a lot of verbal abuse and judgement and anger which must cloud your mind.

I see ad-hominems in place of evidence. A rather dog-eared and transparent strategy.

You cannot differentiate between your own illusions and that which is around you.

The earthy tang of bovine scatology doesn't appear to be an illusion.

MarkHei wrote:Once you accept your own mind is a powerful and unexplained phenomenon you can grasp the power of the universe. But if you are more concerned with material existence then you're going to stumble around looking for a rock with some inscription on it. A Buddhist understands he has the power to travel faster than the speed of light in his mind. All of us can travel anywhere in the universe with just a thought. We can do time travel. These seem like illusions to you, but to a Buddhist these thoughts are a result of the interconnected nature of the universe and our memories are a part of that thread. This is what Science will never prove or disprove. It's futile.

Flowery platitudes are flowery.

What is this guy smoking?

It's called [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Déjà_vu]déjà vu[/url]: a feeling of having already experienced the present situation.

I've experienced it lots and lots of times. As a child, I used to say to my parents "I've been here before," and they'd get spooked, it usually happened when I was about to have a fainting spell, that was diagnosed as epilepsy, and which has since turned out to be related to my form of autism. So no previous lives, just brain misfiring when being made to deal with a strange situation, and the related stress, or something like that.

Parapsychology
Some parapsychologists have advocated other interpretations of déjà vu. Ian Stevenson and other researchers have written that some cases of déjà vu might be explained on the basis of reincarnation. Anthony Peake has written that déjà vu experiences occur as people are living their lives not for the first time, but at least the second.

Another quote from the Wiki article:

Some experts suggest that memory is a process of reconstruction, rather than a recall of fixed, established events. This reconstruction comes from stored components, involving elaborations, distortions and omissions. Each successive recall of an event is merely a recall of the last reconstruction. The proposed sense of recognition (déjà vu) involves achieving a good ‘match’ between the present experience and our stored data. This reconstruction however, may now differ so much from the original event that we ‘know’ we have never experienced it before, even though it seems similar.

MarkHei wrote:Once you accept your own mind is a powerful and unexplained phenomenon you can grasp the power of the universe. But if you are more concerned with material existence then you're going to stumble around looking for a rock with some inscription on it. A Buddhist understands he has the power to travel faster than the speed of light in his mind. All of us can travel anywhere in the universe with just a thought. We can do time travel. These seem like illusions to you, but to a Buddhist these thoughts are a result of the interconnected nature of the universe and our memories are a part of that thread. This is what Science will never prove or disprove. It's futile.

What crap, pure crap. You can't substantiate anything you are saying.

When someone uses terms like speed of light and time travel with their metaphysical claims, it simply shows how stuck they are to the present material world.

Here's a simple test. Since you can "do time travel" and travel anywhere in the universe with just a thought, travel to the future and bring back some advanced technology that doesn't currently exist in any form. I'll expect evidence of it here in your next post.

This should be easy for you since you should be able to go into the future and then travel back the moment after this post. If you can't do this, it will be evidence that your above post is full of crap.

Edit #1. Just checked. No time traveling yet? It must be a longer trip than expected.
Edit #2. Checked in again. MarkHei Fails. He is not a time traveler. Big surprise.

And you expected something different? Why?

tnjrp wrote:

Autumn Clouds wrote:Agreed, but he's a trained psychiatrist with impecable creedentials, I'm sure he can tell between imaginary friends, santa and his cousin in beirut

Trained psychiatrists with impecable credentials (which for this particular one I haven't yet taken time to establish, if indeed it can be established with my resources) are know to be lead astray by their patients. See par example the very good "UFO cautionary tale" of The Jet-Propelled Couch where "Kirk Allen" began to convince his psychiatrist Robert Lindner that he really was a space alien hero. ...

That's not how I read the article. The psychiatrist immersed himself in his patients fantasy as a method of therapy. In the process he became obsessed with the fantasy but the psychiatrist never lost touch with reality, I.e. He never believed these other planets were actual places that his patient visited. And it looks like this form of therapy "worked".

The latter point has been proven pshycologically

That these children who remember their former lives learn faster than their peers, you mean? Interesting, if true. Got any links to articles on this subject I could read?

But thats the problem itself, there's a huge lack of reasearch in this area cause it involves the mind

Indeed as can be seen by the vast number of consciousness thread on this forum (e.g. one I present below) alone. Zoon described attempts at answering the question of the human mind "a huge mess" IIRC and I tend to agree.

thing that science has gave up (phsycology isin't really a science, at least it dosen't uses the scientific method), since the time of Descartes.

Hmm, fond of controversial subjects, you are

Just go here and present your case for "no science of consciousness since Descartes" (if that was what you were implying) --> http://www.rational-skepticism.org/phil ... t1487.html

ElDiablo wrote:

MarkHei wrote:Once you accept your own mind is a powerful and unexplained phenomenon you can grasp the power of the universe. But if you are more concerned with material existence then you're going to stumble around looking for a rock with some inscription on it. A Buddhist understands he has the power to travel faster than the speed of light in his mind. All of us can travel anywhere in the universe with just a thought. We can do time travel. These seem like illusions to you, but to a Buddhist these thoughts are a result of the interconnected nature of the universe and our memories are a part of that thread. This is what Science will never prove or disprove. It's futile.

What crap, pure crap. You can't substantiate anything you are saying.

When someone uses terms like speed of light and time travel with their metaphysical claims, it simply shows how stuck they are to the present material world.

Here's a simple test. Since you can "do time travel" and travel anywhere in the universe with just a thought, travel to the future and bring back some advanced technology that doesn't currently exist in any form. I'll expect evidence of it here in your next post.

This should be easy for you since you should be able to go into the future and then travel back the moment after this post. If you can't do this, it will be evidence that your above post is full of crap.

Edit #1. Just checked. No time traveling yet? It must be a longer trip than expected.
Edit #2. Checked in again. MarkHei Fails. He is not a time traveler. Big surprise.

He has been everywhere and everywhen... and here's the proof!

Agrippina wrote:And you expected something different? Why?

Not expecting anything different. Just calling him up on his bullshit claims.

MarkHei wrote:Once you accept your own mind is a powerful and unexplained phenomenon you can grasp the power of the universe.

How is that any different from someone a few centuries ago saying, "Once you accept that lightning is a powerful and unexplained phenomenon you can grasp the universe"?

MarkHei wrote:A Buddhist understands he has the power to travel faster than the speed of light in his mind.

Okay, this one it easy to test.

I'll pick a location that is 100 miles distant from you.

All that you need to do is to travel that distance in less than one second (not faster than the speed of light,, but if you can do that, I'll consider it close enough).

MarkHei wrote:All of us can travel anywhere in the universe with just a thought.

Wow...another incredibly easy claim to test.

I'll pick a location and you travel to it with just a thought.

We could probably combine these two tests.

MarkHei wrote:We can do time travel.

Since this one is also trivially easy to test, how about we do test it?

I'll pick a list of stock on the NYSE. You travel forward in time one day to see what those stocks are after trading closes that day. Come back to the "present" and we can simply wait until tomorrow to see if you're correct.

MarkHei wrote:These seem like illusions to you,

No, they seem like nonsensical, baseless claims.

MarkHei wrote:but to a Buddhist these thoughts are a result of the interconnected nature of the universe and our memories are a part of that thread. This is what Science will never prove or disprove.

I just gave you a way to test three of your claims.

MarkHei wrote:It's futile.

You're probably right.

The people that believe this nonsense will never admit that it is nonsense. They will continue to claim that it can't be disproven while ignoring every proposed idea that could disprove it.

MrFungus420 wrote:[They will continue to claim that it can't be disproven while ignoring every proposed idea that could disprove it.

The problem is that you can't disprove it. Science is only going to show you that it's highly unlikely, based on the assumption that there is only the physical realm. It's not going to show you that there are no realms beyond the physical which could make certain things possible.

That said, I find these things very unlikely, but I'm not going to presume that I know the true nature of reality, and that all these paranormal things, for lack of a better word, are completely impossible.

Thorham wrote:

MrFungus420 wrote:[They will continue to claim that it can't be disproven while ignoring every proposed idea that could disprove it.

The problem is that you can't disprove it.

I just gave ways to test three of the things that he claimed.

If those tests fail, those three claims are disproven.

MarkHei wrote:Once you accept your own mind is a powerful and unexplained phenomenon you can grasp the power of the universe. But if you are more concerned with material existence then you're going to stumble around looking for a rock with some inscription on it. A Buddhist understands he has the power to travel faster than the speed of light in his mind. All of us can travel anywhere in the universe with just a thought.

The Moody Blues called. Can they have their song back?

Not that I believe any of it, but there is a certain attraction to the idea of politicians coming back as slugs.

I think Mark has left the building. Maybe faster than the speed of light?

If Bhuddists can travel anywhere in the universe with a thought then why does the Dalai Llama travel by aeroplane?

BlackBart wrote:
If Bhuddists can travel anywhere in the universe with a thought then why does the Dalai Llama travel by aeroplane?

He's avoiding the heavy traffic on the bhuddist lightspeed mental highway?
I mean yeah, Mark is right and all that the speed of thought can get bhuddists where they want to be at luminal velocity, but at peak times you get stuck in cognitive gridlock, caused by a collision between existentialism and a load of lurid thoughts about yaks just off junction 5.

2x.