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#1  Postby Sofista » Jul 14, 2019 11:06 pm

What is the vision of Skepticism about Spiritism?
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#2  Postby Thommo » Jul 14, 2019 11:08 pm

They are sceptical of it.
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#3  Postby Spearthrower » Jul 15, 2019 2:42 am

Very Victorian.
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#4  Postby Svartalf » Jul 15, 2019 9:44 am

and pure bunk.
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#5  Postby Alan B » Jul 15, 2019 10:35 am

Define 'Spiritism'.
I have NO BELIEF in the existence of a God or gods. I do not have to offer evidence nor do I have to determine absence of evidence because I do not ASSERT that a God does or does not or gods do or do not exist.
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#6  Postby Sofista » Jul 15, 2019 11:02 am

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#7  Postby Fenrir » Jul 15, 2019 11:24 am

Svartalf wrote:and pure bunk.




“Spiritism is the New Science that has come to reveal to mankind, by means of irrefutable proof, the existence and nature of the spiritual world and its relationship to the physical world.” The Gospel According to Spiritism, Chapter 1, codified by Allan Kardec

Um, you do know what a definition entails, and that this isn't one, don't you?
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#8  Postby blindfaith » Jul 15, 2019 12:16 pm



Looks like the usual unsubstantiated bullshit to me, when they have 'proof' that isnt personal experience or blind faith then it may be worth looking at, otherwise bullshit.
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#9  Postby Sofista » Jul 15, 2019 1:10 pm

The Scientific Method still can not prove the existence of the spirits and the life after the death !!
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#10  Postby BlackBart » Jul 15, 2019 1:13 pm

No shit, Sherlock. It can't prove the existence of Invisible Pink Unicorns either. Funny that.
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#11  Postby Spinozasgalt » Jul 15, 2019 1:14 pm

Sofista wrote:The Scientific Method still can not prove the existence of the spirits and the life after the death !!

Weird flex but okay.
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#12  Postby blindfaith » Jul 15, 2019 1:16 pm

Sofista wrote:The Scientific Method still can not prove the existence of the spirits and the life after the death !!


it also cannot prove fairies, gods or any other supernatural phenomenon. Thats because there is nothing to test, when you have evidence bring it here and we can use tsm to test it.

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#13  Postby newolder » Jul 15, 2019 1:27 pm

Sofista wrote:The Scientific Method still can not prove the existence of the spirits and the life after the death !!

Written in front of me is a method to make a caek. No matter how long I stare at the method, no caek appears. What is my mistake (other than jocular spelling) here? :think:
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#14  Postby Spearthrower » Jul 15, 2019 1:29 pm

Sofista wrote:The Scientific Method still can not prove the existence of the spirits and the life after the death !!



Scientific method can't prove anything whatsoever, in much the same way that mathematics can't make coffee, or meditation do the gardening for you.

That's because it's a category mistake, an absence of understanding of what science entails.

Science isn't about proof, it's about evidence. So all you're really saying is that there is an absence of evidence for spirits and life after death, therefore science has no purchase on such claims, and thus they remain belief-statements.
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#15  Postby Sofista » Jul 15, 2019 2:15 pm

Spearthrower wrote:
Sofista wrote:The Scientific Method still can not prove the existence of the spirits and the life after the death !!



Smcientific ethod can't prove anything whatsoever, in much the same way that mathematics can't make coffee, or meditation do the gardening for you.

That's because it's a category mistake, an absence of understanding of what science entails.

Science isn't about proof, it's about evidence. So all you're really saying is that there is an absence of evidence for spirits and life after death, therefore science has no purchase on such claims, and thus they remain belief-statements.

It is irrational to believe anything that hasn't been proven.This is the main philosophy behind most skeptical arguments. just because something hasn't been proven and established in mainstream science doesn't mean it doesn't exist or isn't true. If it did, then nothing would exist until proven or discovered.
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#16  Postby Sendraks » Jul 15, 2019 2:22 pm

Sofista wrote:This is the main philosophy behind most skeptical arguments. just because something hasn't been proven and established in mainstream science doesn't mean it doesn't exist or isn't true.


And for how many millennia more must we endure this nonsense of deities and spirits before people finally stop trotting out this inane argument?
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#17  Postby Alan B » Jul 15, 2019 2:27 pm

Please provide evidence for the existence of 'Spiritism' and 'Life after Death' without using the strictly mathematical term 'proof'.

Please also avoid using the 'Ancient Manuscript' or 'hearsay' approach.
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#18  Postby Sofista » Jul 15, 2019 2:33 pm

Alan B wrote:Please provide evidence for the existence of 'Spiritism' and 'Life after Death' without using the strictly mathematical term 'proof'.

Please also avoid using the 'Ancient Manuscript' or 'hearsay' approach.

For Pseudo-Skeptics, reliable evidence must be measurable in some conventional way and reproduced at our disposal. The problem with that is that what we can measure is still limited to our level of technology.
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#19  Postby Animavore » Jul 15, 2019 2:35 pm

Sofista wrote:
Alan B wrote:Please provide evidence for the existence of 'Spiritism' and 'Life after Death' without using the strictly mathematical term 'proof'.

Please also avoid using the 'Ancient Manuscript' or 'hearsay' approach.

For Pseudo-Skeptics, reliable evidence must be measurable in some conventional way and reproduced at our disposal. The problem with that is that what we can measure is still limited to our level of technology.

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#20  Postby Sendraks » Jul 15, 2019 2:42 pm

Sofista wrote:The problem with that is that what we can measure is still limited to our level of technology.


Doesn't this strike you as fundamentally dishonest? After all you can keep pleading about limits to our level of technology....forever.

It would be a little more honest to set a timeframe, say about 100 years from now, as to when our technology will resolve the matter one way or the other. Its only a little more honest because, its not as if you'll be around to be called to account for your (failed) prediction.
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