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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#21  Postby Blackadder » Apr 16, 2015 9:02 pm

No wonder the Jewish God of the Old Testament is so fucking angry all the time. He makes a few simple rules and then the Yews spend the next six thousand years finding loopholes in them. No wonder he has occasional outbursts of apocalyptic violence. How the hell is an omnipotent and omniscient deity supposed to keep up with the latest developments in electrical switchgear? He's got every atom in the universe to manage. Yahweh has shit to deal with. And he doesn't need some kippah-wearing clever dick playing tricks with circuit breakers and interrupting his all-knowing train of thought.
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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#22  Postby NamelessFaceless » Apr 16, 2015 9:56 pm

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NamelessFaceless wrote:But seriously, can you imagine how many of the world's problems could be solved if the amount of brain power that went into figuring out how to get around these stupid rules were applied elsewhere. It's actually depressing. :roll:


I didn't think brain power was limited in that manner? I was always under the impression that using your brain improved its power, rather than causing it to dwindle :think:.



Ok, well maybe I should have said "time and energy." Just seems like they could be doing something better with their time.
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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#23  Postby Ironclad » Apr 17, 2015 12:25 am

Star Trek swoosh doors, that's what they need. As do I. And one can already say, Lights, and LO there be light. :smoke:
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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#24  Postby epepke » Apr 17, 2015 8:10 am

Ironclad wrote:Star Trek swoosh doors, that's what they need. As do I. And one can already say, Lights, and LO there be light. :smoke:


When I told this to my girlfriend, she said, "why don't they just get a clapper?" I guess it's too much work.
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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#25  Postby NineBerry » Apr 17, 2015 11:45 am

epepke wrote:
But if someone want's you to flick their light switch for them, you should at least get a tip.


Nope. No money transactions on Sabbath!
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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#26  Postby DarthHelmet86 » Apr 18, 2015 10:54 am

Ironclad wrote:Star Trek swoosh doors, that's what they need. As do I. And one can already say, Lights, and LO there be light. :smoke:


The elevator video says that at least some Jews find the idea of an electronic eye or sensor reacting to them and causing something to happen is breaking the no fire rule. Of course the video then goes on to ignore that and just shows them using the elevator that has been set in auto movement mode because of them and does not explain at any point if it has the normal door sensor. So a clapper or any kind of sensor reacting to them would be out of the question it seems.
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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#27  Postby Clive Durdle » Apr 18, 2015 12:23 pm

it might be good practice, like Sudoku.


Might not a society honed over centuries to get people to think and argue and discuss use precisely these methods?

Maybe everyone should do similar stuff? It should not be difficult to devise experiments about this - it sounds like we have a group who are already doing this.

What is interesting is some groups seem to become institutionalised in playing these games and this causes problems.
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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#28  Postby NineBerry » Apr 18, 2015 2:28 pm

DarthHelmet86 wrote:
Ironclad wrote:Star Trek swoosh doors, that's what they need. As do I. And one can already say, Lights, and LO there be light. :smoke:


The elevator video says that at least some Jews find the idea of an electronic eye or sensor reacting to them and causing something to happen is breaking the no fire rule. Of course the video then goes on to ignore that and just shows them using the elevator that has been set in auto movement mode because of them and does not explain at any point if it has the normal door sensor. So a clapper or any kind of sensor reacting to them would be out of the question it seems.


It's at the end of the video. They have six seconds to enter or leave before the door starts to close and they would trigger the mechanism.
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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#29  Postby laklak » Apr 18, 2015 3:13 pm

How utterly stupid. "People who live by ancient laws..." So don't live by ancient laws you fucking imbecile.
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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#30  Postby tolman » Apr 18, 2015 3:24 pm

Surely, they're living by modern loopholes?
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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#31  Postby Onyx8 » Apr 18, 2015 3:35 pm

So if they get caught in the door as it closes, does it just close on them anyway? No, it opens again unless they have found a way around the safety mechs, which would put the hotel at liability.
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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#32  Postby epepke » Apr 19, 2015 12:41 am

NineBerry wrote:
epepke wrote:
But if someone want's you to flick their light switch for them, you should at least get a tip.


Nope. No money transactions on Sabbath!


They will gladly pay on Tuesday for a light switch-on today.
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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#33  Postby Thorham » Apr 19, 2015 1:08 am

They're not allowed to turn on the lights on their sabbath? Oh lord :roll:
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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#34  Postby epepke » Apr 19, 2015 2:32 am

Thorham wrote:They're not allowed to turn on the lights on their sabbath? Oh lord :roll:


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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#35  Postby epepke » Apr 19, 2015 6:05 am

Clive Durdle wrote:
it might be good practice, like Sudoku.


Might not a society honed over centuries to get people to think and argue and discuss use precisely these methods?


Yup. That is, they might.

Maybe everyone should do similar stuff? It should not be difficult to devise experiments about this - it sounds like we have a group who are already doing this.


Yeah.

What is interesting is some groups seem to become institutionalised in playing these games and this causes problems.


Is this a problem? The fact that some Orthodox and/or Hassidic Jews will give some of their money to people who are clever enough to figure out things like this seems to me a good thing. More money for smart people. Less money for idiots.
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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#36  Postby Blackadder » Apr 19, 2015 6:37 am

epepke wrote:
Clive Durdle wrote:
it might be good practice, like Sudoku.


Might not a society honed over centuries to get people to think and argue and discuss use precisely these methods?


Yup. That is, they might.

Maybe everyone should do similar stuff? It should not be difficult to devise experiments about this - it sounds like we have a group who are already doing this.


Yeah.

What is interesting is some groups seem to become institutionalised in playing these games and this causes problems.


Is this a problem? The fact that some Orthodox and/or Hassidic Jews will give some of their money to people who are clever enough to figure out things like this seems to me a good thing. More money for smart people. Less money for idiots.


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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#37  Postby Clive Durdle » Apr 19, 2015 8:39 am

But what if we based our education systems on these methods? I propose the results will be impressive! How many Nobel prizes was it?
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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#38  Postby epepke » Apr 20, 2015 9:31 am

Clive Durdle wrote:But what if we based our education systems on these methods? I propose the results will be impressive! How many Nobel prizes was it?


Not entirely a silly suggestion. Of course, part of it is the sheer amount of education. Over here, Jews go to school every day, and then they go to Hebrew school later every day.

Really, though. There's a saying that Christians pray while kneeling, Muslims pray while bending over, and Jews pray while shaking their fists in the air. Except amongst Hassidim and more serious Orthodox Jews, יהוה isn't all that well liked. Even amongst those who believe in him, which is far from everybody, there is a recognition that he really can be a bit of an asshole, but what are you going to do? He's family.

I'm an atheist. A lot of my Goyische friends tell me that means I'm not a very good Jew. A lot of my Jewish friends tell me that means I'm a great Jew. There might be something to that.

If I weren't an atheist, and someone asked me if I believed in God, I'd take a page from Don Marquis and reply, "Of course I do not believe in him. If you knew him as well as I do, you would not believe in him either."
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Re: The Kosher Light Switch

#39  Postby Varangian » Apr 20, 2015 5:30 pm

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