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Re: what about the hindus?

#21  Postby Zwaarddijk » Nov 03, 2010 3:18 pm

tnjrp wrote:I've had all of one stop me on the street and try to push some religious material on me through my 45 years of life. Finland is still far away from India in that regard, apparently, tho there are even a few Indians working one floor above me these days...

A Hare Krishna (looked that way at least) stopped me at the town square in Turku (a town in finland, for those not from here) a couple of years ago, holding a bag of muffins. His eyes looked really crazy, and his first words were: "If you'd have one of these muffins..."
I quickly excused myself and walked away.

I am still wondering what the deal with those muffins was.
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Re: what about the hindus?

#22  Postby amateur » Nov 03, 2010 6:22 pm

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Matt_B wrote:You don't get too many Hindus coming around knocking on doors trying to convert you.

C'mon ,don't be so ethnocentric.They make a pretty good job in india.


No, you are wrong. I have been India all my life and it is more likely that you find a Christian at your door step trying to evangelize (due to the missionary activity as I mentioned earlier) than you find a Hindu.

That doesn't mean Hindus won't bother you, but it is of a different variety as compared to Christian junk. Hindus (though not all) can be distinguished by their incredible stupidity to believe in miracle babas even in this modern age. It is more than likely that a hindu acquaint of yours will try to coerce you into accompanying him for a visit to some god man or extoll the virtues of a saadhu or blabber about how you can find inner peace and bliss by meditating with the help of a guru :roll:

Also, if you are in India you might be bugged for monetary contributions for causes like building a new temple or performing charity work on behalf of a religious institution or for some community festival like ganesh nimmarjan (the one where they pollute water bodies by drowning thousands of idols made of dangerous chemicals).

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Re: what about the hindus?

#23  Postby tnjrp » Nov 04, 2010 7:13 am

Zwaarddijk wrote:A Hare Krishna (looked that way at least) stopped me at the town square in Turku (a town in finland, for those not from here) a couple of years ago, holding a bag of muffins. His eyes looked really crazy, and his first words were: "If you'd have one of these muffins..."
Hash muffins? :shifty:

One wonders if Turku is the "HK hotspot" of Finland as my "Hindu incident" also happened there. It was something like 20 years ago tho.
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Re: what about the hindus?

#24  Postby Sylvie » Nov 05, 2010 2:31 am

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Matt_B wrote:You don't get too many Hindus coming around knocking on doors trying to convert you.

C'mon ,don't be so ethnocentric.They make a pretty good job in india.


Err, wrong. Converting other people to Hinduism is nit part of Hindu dogma. In fact, officially you are born a Hindu or you ain't. This is nonsense.

Hare krishnas aren't really Hindus, it's new age devotional jebus-freaks, but Jesus us replaced with Krishna.

The reason we leave hindus alone is that they mostly leave us alone. Also, there's no one dogma/ text/group of clergy that speak for Hindus, so trying to judge 'Hinduism' is like trying to judge cheeseburgers - they are not all the same. There's no point. Poo poling Hinduism while the three monotheisms are still kicking and screaming is pointless. Clearly the lesser of the evils. Atheists do not have to be egalitarian is criticizing religions - some are worse than others.
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Re: what about the hindus?

#25  Postby Zwaarddijk » Nov 05, 2010 2:25 pm

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Err, wrong. Converting other people to Hinduism is nit part of Hindu dogma. In fact, officially you are born a Hindu or you ain't. This is nonsense.

Hare krishnas aren't really Hindus, it's new age devotional jebus-freaks, but Jesus us replaced with Krishna.


Yeah; in a sense, Hare Krishna is to Hinduism what Christianity is to Judaism: a radical departure from tradition, reinterpretation (and even possibly misrepresentation) developed mostly by people that never even were Jews/Hindus in the first place.

Hare krishna also is to Hinduism what Jehovah's witnesses are to Christianity - obnoxious heterodox group that are a bit too eager at the evangelizing bit. (Not that Christianity isn't that already...)

Also, there's no one dogma/ text/group of clergy that speak for Hindus,

Is this really accurate? Aren't groups that don't consider the vedas canonical/~authoritative "nastika", heterodox, and therefore considered outside the scope of proper Hinduism? (Although, to be sure, Hindus in some contexts seem to include Buddhists and Jains in the number of Hindus, but still do consider them non-orthodox.)
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Re: what about the hindus?

#26  Postby IIzO » Nov 06, 2010 3:47 pm

I staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand ....corrected. :) thank you all.
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Re: what about the hindus?

#27  Postby IIzO » Nov 06, 2010 3:48 pm

If there are no definite dogmas or clergy ,how can people name themselves hindus ?
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Re: what about the hindus?

#28  Postby rcscwc » Dec 27, 2010 4:47 am

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Teague wrote:Shouldn't we at least be fair and even... wouldn't wish to be called bias. Don't Hindus have the internet? :thumbup:


I'm an Hindu and can give you some updates or overview. Please let me what you are specifically looking for.

As Berthold said it is very diverse and often inconsistent (like all other religions but at a more complex level due to multitude of gods).

But over the years Hinduism has become more of a tradition and more recently a quest for spirituality rather than a religion. That is, most people don't take it literally or see it as the only truth or believe that you will burn in hell if you don't accept god. It is more based on karmic philosophy, good will happen those to who do good and evil actions beget evil consequences, irrespective of whom you worship or don't worship. In fact, atheism is an accepted tradition of Hinduism.

But the downside - people are gullible, superstitious, easily believe in all kind of babas, saadhus and other non-sense. Another big monster in the closet is casteism. In my experience almost all hindus with rural background (which is around 70%) are casteist. It is so severe that young couples are brutally beaten and tortured for falling in love with someone from a different caste. In some cases, these can even result in honor killings.

Fundamental Hinduism is more of corrupt politicians inciting the masses by manipulating their hatred towards islam (India has 3rd highest muslim population).

Regarding treatment of women, I think this is a misconception. While there might still be some archaic traditions that are actually oppressive, Hinduism is perhaps the only religion where female goddesses are given much significance and in many traditions the mother goddess is considered as a supreme deity. The rampant abortion of female fetus and dowry system are more of social and economic issues rather than religion.

As a last note, there is widespread Christian missionary activity going on in almost all rural villages and conversion is happening on a large scale. But interestingly, people still keep their caste even after changing the religion :think: and most of other evils persist :thumbdown: . Add to these the newly acquired attribute of intolerance - courtesy bible thumpers - you get a pretty neat idea.

Hindus are the only one who do not balk at woman priests. Only Hindus have had woman law givers and philosophers. About 810 Shankar defeated Mandan Mishra in a philosophical debate. Gues who was the judge and arbitrator and declared Shankar the winner. Mishra's wife.
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Re: what about the hindus?

#29  Postby rcscwc » Dec 27, 2010 4:53 am

Hare Krishna is doing what xian missionaries do. But they do not come knocking at your. From the attention, mostly hostile, they have got, they are making their presence felt.
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Re: what about the hindus?

#30  Postby divagreen » Dec 29, 2010 3:59 am

amateur wrote:
Teague wrote:Shouldn't we at least be fair and even... wouldn't wish to be called bias. Don't Hindus have the internet? :thumbup:


I'm an Hindu and can give you some updates or overview. Please let me what you are specifically looking for.

As Berthold said it is very diverse and often inconsistent (like all other religions but at a more complex level due to multitude of gods).

But over the years Hinduism has become more of a tradition and more recently a quest for spirituality rather than a religion. That is, most people don't take it literally or see it as the only truth or believe that you will burn in hell if you don't accept god. It is more based on karmic philosophy, good will happen those to who do good and evil actions beget evil consequences, irrespective of whom you worship or don't worship. In fact, atheism is an accepted tradition of Hinduism.

But the downside - people are gullible, superstitious, easily believe in all kind of babas, saadhus and other non-sense. Another big monster in the closet is casteism. In my experience almost all hindus with rural background (which is around 70%) are casteist. It is so severe that young couples are brutally beaten and tortured for falling in love with someone from a different caste. In some cases, these can even result in honor killings.

Fundamental Hinduism is more of corrupt politicians inciting the masses by manipulating their hatred towards islam (India has 3rd highest muslim population).

Regarding treatment of women, I think this is a misconception. While there might still be some archaic traditions that are actually oppressive, Hinduism is perhaps the only religion where female goddesses are given much significance and in many traditions the mother goddess is considered as a supreme deity. The rampant abortion of female fetus and dowry system are more of social and economic issues rather than religion.

As a last note, there is widespread Christian missionary activity going on in almost all rural villages and conversion is happening on a large scale. But interestingly, people still keep their caste even after changing the religion :think: and most of other evils persist :thumbdown: . Add to these the newly acquired attribute of intolerance - courtesy bible thumpers - you get a pretty neat idea.


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Re: what about the hindus?

#31  Postby cavarka9 » Mar 09, 2011 6:57 am

I come from H background, I know a pretty good deal. It is pan-tribalism in truest sense, a sort of midway between primitive tribalism and modern religions.
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Re: what about the hindus?

#32  Postby andrewk » May 05, 2011 12:02 pm

Didn't the Hindus massacre fleeing Moslems in droves, sometimes stopping trains and pulling them off to kill them, at the time of partition? (as the Moslems dod to Hindu refugees going in the opposite direction).
My knowledge only comes from Rushdie's "Midnight's Children" and the movies "Gandhi" and "Slumdog Millionaire", so I'm happy to be corrected.

There is also the Hindu practice of Sati - burning alive the widow of a man, although Wikipedia says this was always rare and has been outlawed since 1829.

And a Hindu extremist assassinated Mahatma Gandhi, apparently because of being cross at his being conciliatory to Moslems.

So it's not a squeaky clean religion - but are there any of those?
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Re: what about the hindus?

#33  Postby sudhakarang » Jun 06, 2011 4:07 am

I AM A HINDU.THERE IS ONLY ONE ABSOLUTE ENTITY CALLED BRAHMUM WHICH IS THE COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS GOVERNING KNOWABLE,UNKNOWABLE, UNCOUNTABLY INFINITE MIGHTY AND MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSES.GODS AND GODDESSES ARE NOTHING BUT PART AND PARCEL OF THAT INFINITE MANIFESTATION OF THAT BRAHMUM.IN HINDUISM ONE CAN WORSHIP GOD IN ANY FORM ONE LIKES.SO HINDUISM SAYS"ALL RELIGIONS ARE FUNDAMENTALLY THE SAME AND THEREFORE EQUALLY TRUE".THAT IS WHY GREAT SAINT SREE NARAYANA GURU TOLD:ONE CASTE, ONE RELIGION ONE GOD FOR MAN.[REFERENCE:"AN INTEGRATED SCIENCE OF ABSOLUTE" BY NATARAJA GURU]
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Re: what about the hindus?

#34  Postby Myst » Jun 06, 2011 4:39 am

sudhakarang wrote:THERE IS ONLY ONE ABSOLUTE ENTITY CALLED BRAHMUM WHICH IS THE COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS GOVERNING KNOWABLE,UNKNOWABLE, UNCOUNTABLY INFINITE MIGHTY AND MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSES


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Re: what about the hindus?

#35  Postby andrewk » Jun 06, 2011 7:55 am

sudhakarang wrote: a statement in capital letters

Sounds a bit like Pantheism to me (I don't mean that to sound derogatory. I'm quite fond of Pantheists).
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Re: what about the hindus?

#36  Postby GenesForLife » Jun 06, 2011 8:43 am

andrewk wrote:
sudhakarang wrote: a statement in capital letters

Sounds a bit like Pantheism to me (I don't mean that to sound derogatory. I'm quite fond of Pantheists).


pantheism per se is revering nature. The aforementioned wibble makes claims of absolute truth, starting with the unsubstantiated assertion that there is absolute truth and secondly going on to assert that it has certain properties as if it is ontologically existent, in other words, it is unsubstantiated balderdash. Next.
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Re: what about the hindus?

#37  Postby cavarka9 » Jul 04, 2011 7:11 pm

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Re: what about the hindus?

#38  Postby Spearthrower » Jul 05, 2011 3:47 pm

The reason they get 'left alone' is simply due to media coverage. If you frequent any Indian news sites, you will see plenty of bollocks wrapped up as ancient wisdom. I've joined a group in India promoting reason and freedom from religion. They really have to put up with a lot of shit there.
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Re: what about the hindus?

#39  Postby Spearthrower » Jul 05, 2011 3:49 pm

sudhakarang wrote:I AM A HINDU.THERE IS ONLY ONE ABSOLUTE ENTITY CALLED BRAHMUM WHICH IS THE COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS GOVERNING KNOWABLE,UNKNOWABLE, UNCOUNTABLY INFINITE MIGHTY AND MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSES.GODS AND GODDESSES ARE NOTHING BUT PART AND PARCEL OF THAT INFINITE MANIFESTATION OF THAT BRAHMUM.IN HINDUISM ONE CAN WORSHIP GOD IN ANY FORM ONE LIKES.SO HINDUISM SAYS"ALL RELIGIONS ARE FUNDAMENTALLY THE SAME AND THEREFORE EQUALLY TRUE".THAT IS WHY GREAT SAINT SREE NARAYANA GURU TOLD:ONE CASTE, ONE RELIGION ONE GOD FOR MAN.[REFERENCE:"AN INTEGRATED SCIENCE OF ABSOLUTE" BY NATARAJA GURU]



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Re: what about the hindus?

#40  Postby cavarka9 » Jul 06, 2011 9:53 am

cavarka9 wrote:I am always late to this thread
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