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A true feminist must support Abortion and Vice.

#1  Postby McNulty » Jan 01, 2014 5:28 am

For reasons of consistency, it is my view that a feminist must support Abortion and full legalisation of female to male sex work.

This is because the choice must remain with the woman. To me, this seems perfectly correct, however many feminists disagree with the second point.

How can that be?
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Re: A true feminist must support Abortion and Vice.

#2  Postby Pebble » Jan 01, 2014 10:45 am

Protection of the vulnerable would be a reasonable starting point for your inquiries.
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#3  Postby Regina » Jan 01, 2014 10:53 am

What has a vice got to do with abortion?
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#4  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Jan 01, 2014 11:40 am

McNulty wrote:For reasons of consistency, it is my view that a feminist must support Abortion and full legalisation of female to male sex work.

This is because the choice must remain with the woman. To me, this seems perfectly correct, however many feminists disagree with the second point.


Are you going to support this assertion?
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#5  Postby igorfrankensteen » Jan 01, 2014 12:10 pm

The first problem you have, Threadstarter, is that "Feminist" isn't a label that is under your control.It means different things to each person.

Your expectation is similar to all the angry people who think that all anti-abortion people MUST oppose capital punishment as well, because they think that "Right To Life" is the thought behind all opposition to abortion.

What in the hell is "female to male sex work," anyway?

Feminism is compatible BOTH with freedom of choice, AND with anti-abortion. This is because the core of Feminism is empowerment of the individual, not replacement of who gets to tell them what to do and what to think.
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#6  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Jan 01, 2014 12:17 pm

There's definitely positions that are incompatible with feminism and others that may or may not be held by feminists. Some positions are more prevalent, some overwhelmingly so, within feminism.

What the hell "many" means though and whether it's accurate that number of feminists oppose the legalisation of women providing sex work for men, I don't know. That needs to be supported.
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#7  Postby Blackadder » Jan 01, 2014 10:02 pm

For reasons of consistency, it is my view that a Christian must support murder, genocide and incest.

This is because the Bible makes it clear that God of the Bible finds these activities to be honourable. To me, this seems perfectly abhorrent, however many Christians argue that the Bible is the Word of God and therefore is to be used as a moral guide.

How evil do you have to be to be a Christian?
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#8  Postby SafeAsMilk » Jan 01, 2014 11:38 pm

I suspect Freud has the right answers to this.
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#9  Postby campermon » Jan 01, 2014 11:42 pm

Regina wrote:What has a vice got to do with abortion?
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Are they used by doctors? :ask:
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#10  Postby Strontium Dog » Jan 02, 2014 12:10 am

McNulty wrote:For reasons of consistency, it is my view that a feminist must support Abortion and full legalisation of female to male sex work.

This is because the choice must remain with the woman. To me, this seems perfectly correct, however many feminists disagree with the second point.

How can that be?


Many feminists see prostitution as a symptom of patriarchy, and assume that women taking part do not do so freely.

Further, some feminists see all penetrative sex as an act of violence.

Don't even get them started on the missionary position.
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#11  Postby McNulty » Jan 02, 2014 3:29 am

Pebble wrote:Protection of the vulnerable would be a reasonable starting point for your inquiries.


So are you saying that all sex workers are vulnerable? How very arrogant.

I know plenty of women who CHOOSE to do sex work.

Yes, freedom of choice is a great thing.
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Re: A true feminist must support Abortion and Vice.

#12  Postby McNulty » Jan 02, 2014 3:31 am

Regina wrote:What has a vice got to do with abortion?
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Are they used by doctors? :ask:
Thank god I'm not a feminist. Those things look painful.


Yes, they are used by doctors.

Doctors and managers of private abortion clinics make vast profits, for interfering with the body of a woman, yet is is legal.

Hence, so should sex work be.
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#13  Postby McNulty » Jan 02, 2014 3:33 am

igorfrankensteen wrote:The first problem you have, Threadstarter, is that "Feminist" isn't a label that is under your control.It means different things to each person.

What in the hell is "female to male sex work," anyway?

Feminism is compatible BOTH with freedom of choice, AND with anti-abortion. This is because the core of Feminism is empowerment of the individual, not replacement of who gets to tell them what to do and what to think.


Conservative feminists tend to oppose female sex work and abortion.

No freedom of choice there.

F to M sex work? - aka: Prostitution.
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#14  Postby McNulty » Jan 02, 2014 3:35 am

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:
Are you going to support this assertion?


Come back and talk to me when you've finished high school.
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#15  Postby Emmeline » Jan 02, 2014 9:58 am

McNulty wrote:
I know plenty of women who CHOOSE to do sex work.

I believe you.
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Re: A true feminist must support Abortion and Vice.

#16  Postby McNulty » Jan 02, 2014 10:01 am

Choose in the sense that it's better than a min wage job.

Not ideal agreed, but why should anyone have the right to tell a woman what she can do with her body?
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#17  Postby Blackadder » Jan 02, 2014 10:42 am

McNulty wrote:Choose in the sense that it's better than a min wage job.

Not ideal agreed, but why should anyone have the right to tell a woman what she can do with her body?


If you wish to visit prostitutes then you have to deal with your own feelings of inadequacy and self-loathing. We cannot help you with those. This is not a therapy forum.
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#18  Postby igorfrankensteen » Jan 02, 2014 12:46 pm

Isn't what is at the core of a thread that claims to be about telling self-labeled feminists what they can and cannot believe, really about something other than feminism itself?

It's a power-play. I have witnessed feminists of various kinds arguing these points, as well as anti-feminists doing so. In the former case, the goal is to build a cohesive loyal power base to effect change, and in the latter it is to divide and conquer.

In neither case do the people arguing really care in the end, what Feminism means, except in so far as it allows them to get what they want.
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#19  Postby MrFungus420 » Jan 02, 2014 12:50 pm

McNulty wrote:For reasons of consistency, it is my view that a feminist must support Abortion and full legalisation of female to male sex work.

This is because the choice must remain with the woman. To me, this seems perfectly correct, however many feminists disagree with the second point.

How can that be?


Because you get your ideas about Feminism from Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh would be my guess.
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#20  Postby hackenslash » Jan 02, 2014 12:51 pm

McNulty wrote:For reasons of consistency,


Having seen some of your posts by now, I contend that this will be a first.

it is my view


Well, your view and two shits, as they say...

that a feminist must support Abortion and full legalisation of female to male sex work.


Show your working out.

This is because the choice must remain with the woman.


Support of choice =/= support of particular choice.

To me, this seems perfectly correct,


Ah, seems. Let us all know how that works out for you.

however many feminists disagree with the second point.


I wonder why that might be... Could it be because there is an inherent inequality in the second point?

How can that be?


Possibly because whatever you might have given this, it wasn't thought.
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