As the title says. Books, web pages or just information you have to share. Quite interested in how much environment shapes who we are.

Thaaaaanks.

The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature, from Steven Pinker.

"Nature via Nurture: Genes, Experience and What Makes Us Human" (2003) by Matt Ridley, and "Design for A Life: how behaviour develops" (1999) by Patrick Bateson and Paul Martin, are both readable, though published some time ago. The central message of both is that nature is not in opposition to nurture, genes respond to the environment, and these responses evolved.

Pulsar wrote:The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature, from Steven Pinker.

I'd strongly recommend against reading Pinker's book. His is a political piece that mostly misrepresents scientific history in order to further his own personal agenda.

The books recommended by Zoon are far better, in my opinion.

I found Sex on the Brain: The Biological Differences Between Men and Women , by Deborah Blum to be interesting and accessible. Pretty much focused on the evolutionary biology of gender differences and well written. I wouldn't consider it a "hard science" book although all of the research and footnotes are there. Just felt more colloquial.

Samsa wrote:I'd strongly recommend against reading Pinker's book. His is a political piece that mostly misrepresents scientific history in order to further his own personal agenda.

Pinker's right wing temperament does occasionally show through. I didn't find the section on punishment and prison, for example, very convincing. Apparently, getting tough is a standard part of the right mindset. Still, I found this book informative, and the science largely sound. This topic requires a brave and unsentimental treatment to combat millennia of woo-based thinking.

In any event, there are much worse offenders like SJ Gould whose work was overshadowed by politicization to the point that it ceased being good science. "NOMA", are you kidding me?

E. Samedi wrote:

Samsa wrote:I'd strongly recommend against reading Pinker's book. His is a political piece that mostly misrepresents scientific history in order to further his own personal agenda.

Pinker's right wing temperament does occasionally show through. I didn't find the section on punishment and prison, for example, very convincing. Apparently, getting tough is a standard part of the right mindset. Still, I found this book informative, and the science largely sound. This topic requires a brave and unsentimental treatment to combat millennia of woo-based thinking.

In any event, there are much worse offenders like SJ Gould whose work was overshadowed by politicization to the point that it ceased being good science. "NOMA", are you kidding me?

I'm going to start a topic on Pinker's new book, The Better Angels of our Nature once I have read a substantial amount of it. I'm really interested to hear what your take on it is. I'm not very familiar with Stephen Pinker's work before now and would love to hear if you think the premise of his new book is flawed or politically driven.

I left a video presentation of his new book on Inkasteppa's thread here.

E. Samedi wrote:

Samsa wrote:I'd strongly recommend against reading Pinker's book. His is a political piece that mostly misrepresents scientific history in order to further his own personal agenda.

Pinker's right wing temperament does occasionally show through. I didn't find the section on punishment and prison, for example, very convincing. Apparently, getting tough is a standard part of the right mindset. Still, I found this book informative, and the science largely sound. This topic requires a brave and unsentimental treatment to combat millennia of woo-based thinking.

Yes and no. Beyond his speculation and poetic license, most of the research he presents to defend his views is good science, but the problem is that the entire slant of the book and underlying premise is a massive strawman. The idea that we need to overthrow blank slate thinking, and particularly the idea that science has adopted some blank slate sympathies, is simply so far removed from reality that it's difficult to understand why Pinker believes it. The best example is how he presents behaviorism as promoting a blank slate viewpoint, when it's obvious to anyone who has taken a single psychology course (and presumably any distinguished psychology professor) that it's impossible to view behaviorism as blank slatist since it's founder and subsequent major proponents have all emphasised the importance of genetics and biology on behavior. To erect this strawman, Pinker has to quotemine Watson by leaving out the last sentences of his "12 infants" quote to make it look like he believed that learning could result in a child being made to adopt any personality or skills, when in reality he went on to point out that this is an obvious exaggeration.

E. Samedi wrote:In any event, there are much worse offenders like SJ Gould whose work was overshadowed by politicization to the point that it ceased being good science. "NOMA", are you kidding me?

I'm not sure if Gould is a "worse" offender, but I agree that political beliefs ruin good books on science.

Two recommendations:

Scher, Rauscher et al. (2002). Evolutionary Psychology: Alternative Approaches.
http://ifile.it/a5g6io/ebooksclub.org__ ... xk4x5z.pdf
The book presents several criticisms to narrow evolutionary psychology, and offers several alternatives.

Oyama et al. (1985). The Ontogeny of Information: Developmental Systems and Evolution.
http://ifile.it/zdk6pw/ebooksclub.org__ ... xk4x5z.pdf
The book presents several criticisms to gene-centered views, and offers several alternatives.

Another recommendation:
Oyama, Griffiths, Gray. (2001). Cycles of Contingency: Developmental Systems and Evolution.
http://ifile.it/co3seu/ebooksclub.org__ ... xk4x5z.pdf

Not as scholarly as some of the recommendations above and unashamedly presenting one side of the story - but a worthwhile read anyway, is BOUNCE, by Matthew Syed. I thinks it usefully points out some of the factors people often overlook on the nurture side of things, such as the crucial role of expert tuition at exactly the right time.

Another one I enjoyed some time ago was GENIUS EXPLAINED, by Michael J A Howe. He presents the same side of the argument largely through specific case studies of people like Einstein, Mozart etc.

I find this subject fascinating but sometimes worry that I don't have sufficient scientific background to understand the other side of the argument, from the nature POV. In fact I recently started a thread asking for book recommendations about that here - so you might find those helpful too. As a matter of fact I just took delivery of some of them a few days ago, but haven't got going on them yet.