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Eternal Return

#1  Postby viocjit » Sep 08, 2020 6:42 pm

When I think about the ultimate fate of the universe.
I think about the possibility of a new big bang identical to the one we had.
If that happens. Does it means we will back and have an identical life with a score of 100% ?
If that happens. Will we have a conscience composed of the same atoms or it will be another us because it would be like a double in a parallel universe.

If the new big bang will create a parallel universe with a double of us ?

Do we live in a simulation ? I don't think so but why not. Maybe the universe is a simulation that is long to run (Calculate the time between big bang and now) at our scale but short for those who are using simulation. Maybe 1 billion year correspond to 1 hour , less or more for those who play with us if we are in a simulation.
How can we be sure we were alive 1 minute ago or if this is not an illusion created by a simulation or a division of an universe in the multiverse ? I think I was really there but ....

Article on Wikipedia about ultimate fate of the universe : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_ ... e_universe
Article on Wikipedia concerning timeline of the far future : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ ... far_future
Article on Wikipedia about simulation hypothesis : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis
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Re: Eternal Return

#2  Postby felltoearth » Sep 08, 2020 7:17 pm

The first two questions are interesting but out of my area of knowledge to discuss in any meaningful way.
The only thing that interests me about the simulation hypothesis is, if true, there might possibly be some discoverable meaning or goal to the universe in which we exist. Otherwise, meh.
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Re: Eternal Return

#3  Postby laklak » Sep 08, 2020 7:47 pm

So when we "die" we take off the headset and say "Let's run that once more before lunch".
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#4  Postby felltoearth » Sep 08, 2020 7:59 pm

laklak wrote:So when we "die" we take off the headset and say "Let's run that once more before lunch".

I’m more concerned about what happens to all my RatSkep posts.
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Re: Eternal Return

#5  Postby Cito di Pense » Sep 08, 2020 8:50 pm

laklak wrote:So when we "die" we take off the headset and say "Let's run that once more before lunch".


One thing that's making its eternal return is COBOL. Some of those state agencies dispensing checks to the unemployed are begging for COBOL programmers because that's the record-keeping system they have. New Jersey, for example, is making COBOL programmers offers they just can't refuse. They really can't run it one more time before lunch. It's Sputnik-era technology.
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#6  Postby SafeAsMilk » Sep 08, 2020 9:13 pm

These sorts of nebulous questions tell more about our desires than about the universe. And if religion has taught us anything, it's how mundane human desires can be.
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#7  Postby laklak » Sep 08, 2020 9:17 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
laklak wrote:So when we "die" we take off the headset and say "Let's run that once more before lunch".


One thing that's making its eternal return is COBOL. Some of those state agencies dispensing checks to the unemployed are begging for COBOL programmers because that's the record-keeping system they have. New Jersey, for example, is making COBOL programmers offers they just can't refuse. They really can't run it one more time before lunch. It's Sputnik-era technology.


Wonder if they telecommute? I'm an old CICS/COBOL/DB2 dinosaur. Fuck, I'm an IMS/DB/DC archosaur. I ought to be worth a fortune.
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Re: Eternal Return

#8  Postby newolder » Sep 08, 2020 9:27 pm

Many have said, "What goes around comes around" but Poincaré recurrence has been observed with Mathematica.
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#9  Postby Macdoc » Sep 08, 2020 9:43 pm

how mundane human desires can be.

yeah virgins over-rated :naughty2:
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Re: Eternal Return

#10  Postby jamest » Sep 19, 2020 1:21 am

When I think about the ultimate fate of the universe, I often wonder whether God will get bored before that.

Can God get bored? Who knows, but if God is the essence of everything and it is determined by me that this thread is boring as fuck, then yes, God is bored by this thread.
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#11  Postby aufbahrung » Sep 19, 2020 8:33 pm

Everything is distortion, nothing of the 'real' universe can be known by the brain, lump of biased neuronal wetware. What we have at most is a shared magical thinking delusion deriving its cohesion from nothing. Doesn't it scare you the waking universe is apparently 'rational' whilst lucid dreaming produces the apparent impossible? Where will it end/begin before we consider return.
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Re: Eternal Return

#12  Postby campermon » Sep 20, 2020 7:39 pm

aufbahrung wrote:Everything is distortion, nothing of the 'real' universe can be known by the brain, lump of biased neuronal wetware.


That's quite a claim that needs some explanation. :thumbup:
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#13  Postby Svartalf » Sep 20, 2020 8:11 pm

Bah, it's well known that no fact or statement is ever 100% true, with the exception of the present one.
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#14  Postby Blackadder » Sep 20, 2020 9:21 pm

aufbahrung wrote:Everything is distortion, nothing of the 'real' universe can be known by the brain, lump of biased neuronal wetware. What we have at most is a shared magical thinking delusion deriving its cohesion from nothing. Doesn't it scare you the waking universe is apparently 'rational' whilst lucid dreaming produces the apparent impossible? Where will it end/begin before we consider return.



Tried cannabis? It won't alter the universe but it will alter your wetware so you won't be quite so angst-ridden about something that you have fuck all control over.
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#15  Postby BlackBart » Sep 20, 2020 10:19 pm

Funny how we can use a 'shared magical thinking delusion' to create computers which can reliably transmit ungrammatical waffle to the entire planet.
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Re: Eternal Return

#16  Postby viocjit » Sep 22, 2020 5:34 am

Thanks to those who answered to this topic that I created with an entertainment purpose.

If we were living in a simulation. Are we in a full or partial reproduction of a world that already existed or a fiction ?
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#17  Postby Fallible » Sep 22, 2020 8:57 am

Who cares?
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She revelled in adventure and imagination.
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Breaking boundaries and chasing fire.
Oh, my my! Oh my, she flies!
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#18  Postby viocjit » Sep 30, 2020 5:11 am

Fallible wrote:Who cares?


It does seem few care.
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#19  Postby SafeAsMilk » Sep 30, 2020 3:13 pm

Yes, around here you won't find much interest in vacuous exercises about made up stuff. There's surely plenty of other places on the internet were people get worked up about that sort of thing.
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Re: Eternal Return

#20  Postby laklak » Oct 06, 2020 12:49 am

Shitty simulation, I need a shitpot more money and a much bigger boat. What's it gonna cost? Couple of pixels?

Cheapskates.
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