How much freedom should the Church have?

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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#161  Postby lobawad » Jul 17, 2012 12:54 pm

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Kenneth-Kaunda wrote:and of course, reading the Bible will give you a clear indication that a same-sex marriage should never occur inside a true church.


It will also give you a clear indication that slavery is acceptable.


"Citation please" Leviticus 25 is probably the best reference here. Other passages, in Exodus for example, are about indentured servitude (6 years) of fellow Hebrews, and from these you won't see clearly that having foreign slaves was acceptable.
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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#162  Postby Kenneth-Kaunda » Jul 17, 2012 1:25 pm

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Fantastic, Ken. Your tenure here has plummeted to the bottom of the barrel in such a short time.


doesn't bother me.

I'm not here to win any friends, but I was hoping for some balanced debate.

That is seriously lacking in these parts! :ill:
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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#163  Postby lobawad » Jul 17, 2012 1:29 pm

Kenneth-Kaunda wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
Fantastic, Ken. Your tenure here has plummeted to the bottom of the barrel in such a short time.


doesn't bother me.

I'm not here to win any friends, but I was hoping for some balanced debate.

That is seriously lacking in these parts! :ill:


It takes two to tango. I have tried a couple of times to engage in straight (ka-ching!) debate. You clearly do not want it.
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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#164  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jul 17, 2012 1:32 pm

Kenneth-Kaunda wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
Fantastic, Ken. Your tenure here has plummeted to the bottom of the barrel in such a short time.


doesn't bother me.

I'm not here to win any friends, but I was hoping for some balanced debate.

That is seriously lacking in these parts! :ill:

If you think balanced debate = any opinion and blind assertion is treated with the same respect as rational arugments and evidence, you don't know the meaning of the words.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#165  Postby Spearthrower » Jul 17, 2012 1:39 pm

Kenneth-Kaunda wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
Fantastic, Ken. Your tenure here has plummeted to the bottom of the barrel in such a short time.


doesn't bother me.

I'm not here to win any friends, but I was hoping for some balanced debate.

That is seriously lacking in these parts! :ill:



Yep - debate only happens when both sides have something to bring to the table.
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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#166  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jul 17, 2012 1:42 pm

:this:
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#167  Postby SafeAsMilk » Jul 17, 2012 1:47 pm

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Yes,' John Boswell was gay. He fucking says so in the piece. That does not mean Kenny-boy gets to make libellous statements about the quality of the man's scholarship once he is dead and unable to defend himself.


So he cannot help but be biased then.

Sooooo I guess that means since you're (ostensibly) heterosexual, you cannot help but be biased against homosexuals, so nothing you say on this topic is worth anything. Thanks for once again shitting all over your own arguments.
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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#168  Postby redwhine » Jul 17, 2012 2:11 pm

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CookieJon wrote:Which church are you talking about?


The Christian church in general.

There is no 'christian church in general'. There are around 38,000 varieties of christianity, many incompatible with all the others to the point of murder. Do you, for instance, include the LDS(mormons) in the church in general? They do.

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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#169  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jul 17, 2012 2:32 pm

Like all so called xtians he has not got a clue about his own belief system.
They all call themselves xtians just for the numbers game.

We have in this country of what is left of the prodestant xtian belief system still a few hundred different systems of which some only have a handful of followers. There are still to this day schisms happenening. Arguements break out and people walk off to start another church. They have the strangest of names. Pure madness :crazy:

I wonder which flavour Ken belongs to.
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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#170  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jul 17, 2012 4:13 pm

So Ken's position basically boils down to this:
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"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#171  Postby Onyx8 » Jul 17, 2012 4:40 pm

" I want rational debate." " I want rational debate." " I want rational debate."


"All you guys are poopy-heads."


" I want rational debate."
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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#172  Postby chairman bill » Jul 17, 2012 6:06 pm

But what you don't understand is that the Humpty-Dumpty lexicon clearly has it that 'rational debate' can be defined as 'whatever agrees with the fuckwitted theistic position'
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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#173  Postby Onyx8 » Jul 18, 2012 3:34 am

...or even "all you guys are poopy-heads."
The problem with fantasies is you can't really insist that everyone else believes in yours, the other problem with fantasies is that most believers of fantasies eventually get around to doing exactly that.
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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#174  Postby Kenneth-Kaunda » Jul 18, 2012 4:39 am

Other thread closed by the looks of it - Jesus will love you, if you let him!

Adios :) Kenneth, a.k.a - Kenny boy!

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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#175  Postby SafeAsMilk » Jul 18, 2012 5:30 am

:lol:

Well it was swell, but the swelling's gone down. Come on back when you've developed some sort of argument that isn't based on the most banal and obvious fallacies, there's a good chap!
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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#176  Postby BlackBart » Jul 18, 2012 6:55 am

Kenneth-Kaunda wrote:Other thread closed by the looks of it -


Meh. For now.


Jesus will love you, if you let him!



I'm sure he would do if he existed. Personally, I wouldn't reciprocate. But it's OK, it's the 21st century and it's accepted and tolerated.


Adios :) Kenneth, a.k.a - Kenny boy!


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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#177  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jul 18, 2012 7:55 am

Kenneth-Kaunda wrote:Other thread closed by the looks of it - Jesus will love you, if you let him!

Adios :) Kenneth, a.k.a - Kenny boy!

Pulling yet another Shaker?

Kenneth-Kaunda wrote:Psalm 14.1-3 - The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none who does good. The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there are any who understand, who seek God. They have all turned aside, they have together become corrupt; there is none who does good, no, not one.

You do realise virtually every religion has statements like these, that only a fool would not believe in their particular religious views?
This has got to be one of the most overrated bible verses.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#178  Postby redwhine » Jul 18, 2012 8:33 am

Kenneth-Kaunda wrote:Psalm 14.1-3 - The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none who does good. The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there are any who understand, who seek God. They have all turned aside, they have together become corrupt; there is none who does good, no, not one.

Aside from the fact that the heart is a pump for moving blood around the body, you missed the second part of that quote out...

"The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God”, but the wise man shouts it from the rooftops."

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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#179  Postby babel » Jul 18, 2012 9:11 am

Anyone else wondering what topichead will be used next to address SSM?

Euthanasia is my bet. Might need a bit of work to get there, but if somebody can do it, Kenneth can.
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Re: How much freedom should the Church have?

#180  Postby Animavore » Jul 18, 2012 9:14 am

Kenneth-Kaunda wrote:Other thread closed by the looks of it - Jesus will love you, if you let him!

Adios :) Kenneth, a.k.a - Kenny boy!

Psalm 14.1-3 - The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none who does good. The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there are any who understand, who seek God. They have all turned aside, they have together become corrupt; there is none who does good, no, not one.


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