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Re: I am Mixed Race - Other

#181  Postby Warren Dew » Apr 10, 2010 4:22 am

Tyrannical wrote:The melting pot analogy historically only referred to Whites. By the time significant numbers of non-White immigrants were coming into the US by the 1970's, I believe the multi-cultural "Salad Bowl" replaced the melting pot concept.

I've never heard of the "salad bowl" analogy until now.

I have heard the phrase, "Canada is a mosaic, not a melting pot," but that was used to contrast Canada with the U.S.

Edit: there were plenty of Chinese immigrants in the 1860s, among others, long before the 1970s.
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Re: I am Mixed Race - Other

#182  Postby Tyrannical » Apr 10, 2010 4:50 am

For those curious........

Here's a table of historical demographic data
http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0056/tab01.pdf

Half way down is the background info on the census
http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0056/twps0056.html
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Re: I am Mixed Race - Other

#183  Postby Saim » Apr 11, 2010 1:25 am

Tyrannical wrote:
Agrippina wrote:
Warren Dew wrote:
Agrippina wrote:What makes Hispanic different from Latino and Chicano? Why not simply Americans of Spanish descent?

It does include central and south American natives who have no Spanish blood, so they're not all of Spanish descent.


But if they're "Indians" i.e. pure aboriginal Americans, surely they're not "Latino."


They are. That's why I call Hispanic / Latino a social construct.

Black, White, Asian, Red, Mixed, what ever. If you are from the lands of the former Spanish Empire, you are Hispanic / Latino. Even if you don't speak a lick of Spanish. Usually, I'm sure there are exceptions.

Am I then, analogously, an Anglo because I'm from Australia?
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Re: I am Mixed Race - Other

#184  Postby Saim » Apr 11, 2010 1:30 am

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I do it all the time; i.e., categorize people by their ethnicity but also treat them as individuals.



Sooo what is it you do all the time? Categorize them by race or ethnicity? Do you have scientifically valid definitions of either? Or - as you seem to suggest - are they interchangeable?

And when you categorize them by ethnicity, what purpose does it serve, if not to assign them some predetermined characteristics...? I think you'll find that when you do so, you are treating the person as part of a group; and, subliminally if nothing else, are expecting certain characteristics to emerge to confirm what you EXPECT from this ethnicity...If you don't, then there's absolutely no reason for the characterisation in the first place....

Well, I don't. It's the same with people's religions, hair colors, national origins, etc... I don't "expect" anything from any given ethnicity.


Asking someone about their religion is quite different from asking them about their 'national origins' or their hair colour, I'd suggest....Some things we very little control over (save the peroxide/dye bottle with regular frequency), others are of total choice and open to change....

I find it's generally more awkward to ask someone what their religion is than what their ancestry is.

If you don't 'expect' anything, one wonders why you'd make the point of making the classification in the first place... :eh:

I dunno. I just find it interesting, I guess.
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