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Re: Left or Right?

#41  Postby halucigenia » Feb 24, 2013 9:29 am

MacIver wrote:Even when taking into consideration the Y axis of libertarianism vs authoritarianism as well as the X axis of right vs left these are just labels.

That reminds me of the political compass.

I usually roll this URL out after an election and ask "did you vote for the right party".

When they see the results they are generaly OK with them and agree, but then they see what they have voted for it's a different story. They are hardly ever anywhere near the party that they voted for.Image

The main UK parties are now so close in their politics but people probably still think it's like it was years ago.
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It's even worse in the US.
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politicalcompass.org/uselection2012 wrote:This is a US election that defies logic and brings the nation closer towards a one-party state masquerading as a two-party state.
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Re: Left or Right?

#42  Postby Matt_B » Feb 24, 2013 2:10 pm

I'd think that a problem with the political compass is that it only represents an average position. For instance, you could take two politicians who take the opposite position on many single issues, but they could still come out in the same place on the chart; and that's generally how it seems to me that Labour and the Conservatives work in the UK at the moment. That they're both increasingly statist and neo-liberal in their policy rather hides the fact that they've gone about it in very different ways. Also, in the US there seem to be many Republican positions that would be totally off the radar in Europe, except perhaps for some extremist nationalist parties, and that their position on the chart is balanced out by some highly liberal policies elsewhere doesn't make the party any more attractive to us.
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Re: Left or Right?

#43  Postby pensioner » Feb 24, 2013 7:28 pm

laklak wrote:
Mr.Samsa wrote:
"Bob says we should buy a computer. Sue says we shouldn't. Therefore, the best solution is to compromise and buy half a computer."


Sue should just STFU and listen to Bob. Just sayin.


What a load of testimonials, you have never met my wife, I would give up on the puter. :shock:
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Re: Left or Right?

#44  Postby laklak » Feb 24, 2013 7:35 pm

pensioner wrote:
laklak wrote:
Mr.Samsa wrote:
"Bob says we should buy a computer. Sue says we shouldn't. Therefore, the best solution is to compromise and buy half a computer."


Sue should just STFU and listen to Bob. Just sayin.


What a load of testimonials, you have never met my wife, I would give up on the puter. :shock:


I just got a new laptop. Mrs. Lak said I could. Now, she should, in a perfect world, just STFU and listen to me but that ain't gonna happen. Maybe when I get to heaven one of the 72 virgins will STFU and listen to me, but I'm not taking any bets. It will just be 72 women nattering in my ear instead of just one, and you can't even kill yourself because your already fucking dead.
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Re: Left or Right?

#45  Postby pensioner » Feb 24, 2013 8:00 pm

laklak wrote:
pensioner wrote:
laklak wrote:
Mr.Samsa wrote:
"Bob says we should buy a computer. Sue says we shouldn't. Therefore, the best solution is to compromise and buy half a computer."


Sue should just STFU and listen to Bob. Just sayin.


What a load of testimonials, you have never met my wife, I would give up on the puter. :shock:


I just got a new laptop. Mrs. Lak said I could. Now, she should, in a perfect world, just STFU and listen to me but that ain't gonna happen. Maybe when I get to heaven one of the 72 virgins will STFU and listen to me, but I'm not taking any bets. It will just be 72 women nattering in my ear instead of just one, and you can't even kill yourself because your already fucking dead.


72 of the fookers, jebus more like hell than heaven. :(
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Re: Left or Right?

#46  Postby Gallstones » Feb 24, 2013 8:03 pm

Mr.Samsa wrote:
chairman bill wrote:How on earth does that follow? Imagine a similar statement made about murderous tendancies, with the x axis showing a variation from 'psychopathic', through something like 'murderous', to 'violent tendancies', and onto an extreme of 'peace-loving'. By your analysis, the ideal position would be somewhere between murderous & violent tendancies.


Indeed - it's called the golden mean fallacy, the idea that if two extremes exist, then the "correct" or "best" position is somewhere in between. As you correctly point out though, sometimes the most appropriate position is one of the extremes. For example:

"Bob says we should buy a computer. Sue says we shouldn't. Therefore, the best solution is to compromise and buy half a computer."


Why can't Bob just buy himself a computer and leave Sue to do with her money as she sees fit?

Socialism would be Bob using Sue's money to buy it
Capitalism would be Sue selling it to him.
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Re: Left or Right?

#47  Postby laklak » Feb 24, 2013 9:01 pm

Marriage would be Sue telling Bob to grow up and stop playing video games, and to bring her some wine.
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Re: Left or Right?

#48  Postby Gallstones » Feb 25, 2013 1:50 am

laklak wrote:Marriage would be Sue telling Bob to grow up and stop playing video games, and to bring her some wine.


Don't you think Bob would be a fool not to do it?
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Re: Left or Right?

#49  Postby laklak » Feb 25, 2013 2:38 am

Gallstones wrote:
laklak wrote:Marriage would be Sue telling Bob to grow up and stop playing video games, and to bring her some wine.


Don't you think Bob would be a fool not to do it?


Absolutely. Bob didn't get this old by being stupid, after all.
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Re: Left or Right?

#50  Postby Loren Michael » Feb 25, 2013 6:16 am

Political Compass is shit and shouldn't be trusted for political/ideological analysis.

Left/right is dumb; if you're talking about ideology, when are you talking about policy? Policy and the goals of that policy are the only things that matter.
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Re: Left or Right?

#51  Postby Gallstones » Feb 25, 2013 7:53 am

laklak wrote:
Gallstones wrote:
laklak wrote:Marriage would be Sue telling Bob to grow up and stop playing video games, and to bring her some wine.


Don't you think Bob would be a fool not to do it?


Absolutely. Bob didn't get this old by being stupid, after all.


She may be saying bring me a glass of wine, but have other ideas for when Bob gets there with the glass.
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Re: Left or Right?

#52  Postby pensioner » Feb 25, 2013 1:13 pm

Gallstones wrote:
laklak wrote:
Gallstones wrote:
laklak wrote:Marriage would be Sue telling Bob to grow up and stop playing video games, and to bring her some wine.


Don't you think Bob would be a fool not to do it?


Absolutely. Bob didn't get this old by being stupid, after all.


She may be saying bring me a glass of wine, but have other ideas for when Bob gets there with the glass.


You are not thinking about the s word are you. She would shoot the old bugger? :shifty:
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Re: Left or Right?

#53  Postby Gallstones » Feb 26, 2013 5:23 am

pensioner wrote:
Gallstones wrote:
laklak wrote:
Gallstones wrote:

Don't you think Bob would be a fool not to do it?


Absolutely. Bob didn't get this old by being stupid, after all.


She may be saying bring me a glass of wine, but have other ideas for when Bob gets there with the glass.


You are not thinking about the s word are you. She would shoot the old bugger? :shifty:


    :whistle:

If I were Sue and *coughthisguyIknowcough* were Bob and he was to bring me a glass of whisky wine, I'd be be thinking of the s word for sure. BTW both Bob and Sue are shooters, neither of whom handle weapons when they have been drinking.
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Re: Left or Right?

#54  Postby Collector1337 » Feb 27, 2013 1:34 am

Too much Authoritarianism and not enough Libertarianism on both sides.
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