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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#21  Postby Briton » Feb 25, 2015 8:42 am

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:
we are still finding new stuff all the time.


You hear this said often but when was the last time a large previously unknown animal was discovered in similar circumstances?
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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#22  Postby Alan B » Feb 25, 2015 10:16 am

Coelacanths were thought to have gone extinct in the Late Cretaceous, but were rediscovered in 1938 off the coast of South Africa

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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#23  Postby Animavore » Feb 25, 2015 10:36 am

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Jerome Da Gnome wrote:(what do you call a bird/dino/whale transition grouping?)

Nothing. No such grouping exists.

Vertebrates.

Jerome is looking for a "transition grouping". I'm not even sure what that means except a grouping of succeeding transitional fossils from one member of the group to another via the third. Or from one member to the other two.
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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#24  Postby Briton » Feb 25, 2015 10:41 am

Alan B wrote:
Coelacanths were thought to have gone extinct in the Late Cretaceous, but were rediscovered in 1938 off the coast of South Africa

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That's the obvious one but the circumstances are hardly similar and you'd have to come up with more than that to justify the claim we are finding such things all the time.
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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#25  Postby Sendraks » Feb 25, 2015 10:42 am

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:Seriously, why couldn't a flock (what do you call a bird/dino/whale transition grouping?) have survived there for vast generations?


Because minimal genetic diversity would require a population of about 100 or so individuals. If they are air breathing, they'd have been spotted and properly identified by now.

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I bet if we spent as much money looking for oil we would know for a certainty if the Scottish monster exists.


A lot of money has been spent surveying the loch (with submersibles, with sonar) for signs of anything that would qualify as a monster was living in there. Nothing has been found.
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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#26  Postby Alan B » Feb 25, 2015 11:38 am

Briton wrote:
Alan B wrote:
Coelacanths were thought to have gone extinct in the Late Cretaceous, but were rediscovered in 1938 off the coast of South Africa

:snooty:

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That's the obvious one but the circumstances are hardly similar and you'd have to come up with more than that to justify the claim we are finding such things all the time.


Oh, of course.

Just passing... :smile:
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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#27  Postby JohnGalt » Feb 25, 2015 1:52 pm

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:Seriously, why couldn't a flock (what do you call a bird/dino/whale transition grouping?) have survived there for vast generations?
Because 15,000 years ago the entire area was under a couple ,miles of ice.The depth of the loch is a direct result of glacial action.

And - point of information - plesiosaurs are not dinosaurs.
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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#28  Postby Evolving » Feb 25, 2015 4:11 pm

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telegraph.co.uk wrote:...experts at the Official Loch Ness Monster Fan Club...



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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#29  Postby jamest » Feb 25, 2015 6:24 pm

It's the wake of a boat.
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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#30  Postby BlackBart » Feb 25, 2015 6:30 pm

experts at the Official Loch Ness Monster Fan Club


:rofl:

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#31  Postby BlackBart » Feb 25, 2015 6:32 pm

jamest wrote:It's the wake of a boat.


:this: On the edge of two images stitched together.
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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#32  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 25, 2015 6:50 pm

BlackBart wrote:
jamest wrote:It's the wake of a boat.


:this: On the edge of two images stitched together.


Yep another fraud. Water skiing also takes place on the loch.
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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#33  Postby jamest » Feb 25, 2015 6:55 pm

I wonder what we'd do if there were a Loch Ness monster. Lock it up in a zoo? Kill it? Train it to destroy Russian submarines?

Perhaps we should stop looking. :waah:
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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#34  Postby jamest » Feb 25, 2015 9:56 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
BlackBart wrote:
jamest wrote:It's the wake of a boat.


:this: On the edge of two images stitched together.


Yep another fraud. Water skiing also takes place on the loch.


Said the frock-knees monster. :tongue:
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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#35  Postby Nostalgia » Feb 25, 2015 11:37 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:Where's Mac?

He works in a hotel overlooking the loch.


:wave:

Sorry. Two months late to this...

Yeah, I work in a hotel a stones throw (literally) away from the shores of Loch (not LOCK!) Ness. But long before I started working directly within the Highland Tourism industry it was made clear that no matter what my own personal belief in Nessie was that when asked by a tourist about it I should pretend to believe in her. Okay, it was made clear to me with a bit of the tongue in the cheek, but us Highlanders are aware of precisely how much we owe The Loch Ness Monster. Yes, this part of thee world is absolutely gorgeous, but so are many parts of the world. The reason a million people a year from outside Scotland come to the Loch is because of the myth.

Just a head up to anyone wanting to come to this part of Scotland - Don't go to Loch Ness. Firstly, I can't be fucked serving you a beer, but more importantly it's horribly commercialised. The Loch itself is impressive because of it's size, but there are many more prettier scenes here-abouts. If you really want to view the largest body of water in the UK, then go to the very bottom in Fort Augustus. Nice little village and nowhere near the amount of cheap touristy made-in-China crap in its shops, and the view up the loch/Great Glen is pretty breathtaking.

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:The only scientific argument against was not enough food source in the loch. That argument wasn't convincing as we don't know what they eat.


It doesn't matter what "they" eat. Unless it's rocks and pebbles there's not enough food in the loch.

Jerome Da Gnome wrote:Seriously, why couldn't a flock (what do you call a bird/dino/whale transition grouping?) have survived there for vast generations?
We have found living presumed extinct millions of years ago fossils.


Many reasons.

20,000 years ago the entire loch was under several miles of ice, for one.

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This image, taken by an Apple map satellite, depicts a shadowy form of around 100 feet in length with something akin to flippers in the water of the Loch Ness. The image has been studied for six months by experts at the Official Loch Ness Monster Fan Club, the Club has concluded the shadow is most probably the Loch Ness Monster. This sighting is the first reported in 18 months, the longest that Nessie has been missing since 1925.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picture ... years.html

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Heh. That's the wake from one of the tourist ships that sail the loch everyday. Linky.
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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#36  Postby Nostalgia » Feb 25, 2015 11:38 pm

Oh jumping gypsies. Most of my points are repeats... oh well...
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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#37  Postby jamest » Feb 25, 2015 11:43 pm

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Jerome Da Gnome wrote:Seriously, why couldn't a flock (what do you call a bird/dino/whale transition grouping?) have survived there for vast generations?
We have found living presumed extinct millions of years ago fossils.


Many reasons.

20,000 years ago the entire loch was under several miles of ice, for one.

The monster moved south for a while. Waited for the ice to melt. Moved back north.

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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#38  Postby Nostalgia » Feb 25, 2015 11:48 pm

Okay doke.

How come that the number of sightings and photographs are decreasing, not increasing? If she REALLY was in there, and with the large number of people that have smartphones and digital cameras these days then there should be an avalanche of high quality, non-photoshopped, non-grainy photos with appropriate background imagery to allow us to discern scale.
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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#39  Postby Animavore » Feb 25, 2015 11:50 pm

jamest wrote:I wonder what we'd do if there were a Loch Ness monster. Lock it up in a zoo? Kill it? Train it to destroy Russian submarines?

Perhaps we should stop looking. :waah:

You'll never find a Nessie in the zoo.
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Re: Nonbelief in the Loch Ness Monster

#40  Postby Nostalgia » Feb 25, 2015 11:53 pm

HA!

Took me a few seconds to figure out where that came from in my brain. But I got it up here from the depths. Loved that show. :-)
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