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Should we give kids condoms at school?

#1  Postby RayClarke » Jun 03, 2013 1:19 pm

When considering whether we should stem the rate of teenage pregnancy by issuing birth control at school I look back to my childhood and how things were 'controlled' then.

I never received sex education from my parents though I do recall some sort of talk sat on the rug in front of the gas fire when I was around 15yrs old. I thought it amusing given that sex really wasn't something I thought about. I had yet to have my first kiss, crossing that 'border' was stressful enough.

There-in the answer lies. Crossing 'borders'. Children are in such a hurry to grow up, hardly any wonder given that many parents favorite phrase to their children when reprimanding them is 'grow up'. It's not one I use. I stress frequently to my children the benefits of being children!

There is a lot of pressure on children to grow up, and there are a few symbols that for children represent adulthood. Those symbols are generally things they are not permitted to do as children. These are:

Drinking alcohol
Smoking
Driving cars
Working
Sex

Thus it is a challenge and a feat to achieve any of things in adolescence as it gets them that little bit closer to being an adult. So they think. The real responsibilities and challenges elude them.

Who is to blame for this desperation to grow up? We are. We bombard children with images of young popstars, sexualised and scantily clad, singing provocative songs and dancing like strippers. Actors in soaps have boyfriends and girlfriends from very young ages and are constantly engaged in some love triangle.

This may be how it is now but this is not how it was when I was at school. Girls did have boyfriends but those who were sexually active kept it very quiet, as they would get a bad name. So it was not something to brag or boast about as it is now. Underage sex was still very taboo and frowned upon. Now it seems less so and that is the problem.

Providing for the minority who were sexually active by giving sex talks in school has actually increased the acceptability of underage sex and with it the numbers of children engaging in underage sex. Thus providing contraception in schools will increase the problem yet more.

If you are a child not having sex, you may be deemed 'abnormal' by your peers and they'd be right given how normal is defined...ie. by what the majority are doing. Is your child strong enough to accept being 'abnormal' by saying 'no' to underage sex?

As parents we need to make a stand and realise that we have gone a tad too far the other way when it comes to preventing this problem and have instead increased it.

Giving children contraception at school is a bad idea for so many reasons not least the one stated above.

Consider the effects of the pill on women. It can interfere with menstruation, result in acne, headaches, blood clots, and mood swings etc. If the parent is oblivious to their child's 'drug' taking how are they to identify the problem and help them?

Let us not pretend the school nurse will take care of this on our behalf. To date no Doctor has ever properly diagnosed my pill related symptoms or addressed them. I have had to figure it out and resolve it on my own. One form of contraception made me feel suicidal as it disagreed with me so much. Imagine this affect on your child? Your child would not know why they felt that way and how could they ask you for help, given you didn't know they were sexually active or on the pill?

It is a mistake to take away the power parents have to protect their own children and proving children pills at school is an obscene idea. What next Viagra?
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Re: Should we give kids condoms at school?

#2  Postby Animavore » Jun 03, 2013 1:57 pm

Teens shouldn't need Viagra. Don't be silly.
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Re: Should we give kids condoms at school?

#3  Postby Matt_B » Jun 03, 2013 2:14 pm

This looks like a copy/paste from here:
http://www.thescienceforum.com/behavior ... chool.html

As such, I won't dignify it with an answer.
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Re: Should we give kids condoms at school?

#4  Postby trubble76 » Jun 03, 2013 2:21 pm

Kids will have sex. They will have sex if we don't educate them. they will have sex if we threaten them with a lifetime of slavery and abuse. They will have sex no matter what we do.

If you accept this premise, which I think you'd be mad not to, then the question becomes about minimising harm from their sexual experimentation. Option A is to continue to deny them the knowledge and tools to protect themselves in the vain hope that this year will be the first year since humans first evolved that kids will not have sex with each other. The easier and more effective Option B is to do our best to educate them, make sure they have access to condoms and other tools to promote sexual health, and hope that they listened to the more important warnings we gave them.

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#5  Postby Matt_B » Jun 03, 2013 2:28 pm

I go with Option B, so long as it involves telling the kids in excruciating detail about all the scary diseases they could catch. :ill:
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#6  Postby trubble76 » Jun 03, 2013 2:56 pm

Matt_B wrote:I go with Option B, so long as it involves telling the kids in excruciating detail about all the scary diseases they could catch. :ill:


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#7  Postby Shrunk » Jun 03, 2013 3:09 pm

RayClarke wrote:Thus it is a challenge and a feat to achieve any of things in adolescence as it gets them that little bit closer to being an adult. So they think. The real responsibilities and challenges elude them.

Who is to blame for this desperation to grow up? We are. We bombard children with images of young popstars, sexualised and scantily clad, singing provocative songs and dancing like strippers. Actors in soaps have boyfriends and girlfriends from very young ages and are constantly engaged in some love triangle.

This may be how it is now but this is not how it was when I was at school. Girls did have boyfriends but those who were sexually active kept it very quiet, as they would get a bad name. So it was not something to brag or boast about as it is now. Underage sex was still very taboo and frowned upon. Now it seems less so and that is the problem.

Providing for the minority who were sexually active by giving sex talks in school has actually increased the acceptability of underage sex and with it the numbers of children engaging in underage sex. Thus providing contraception in schools will increase the problem yet more.

If you are a child not having sex, you may be deemed 'abnormal' by your peers and they'd be right given how normal is defined...ie. by what the majority are doing. Is your child strong enough to accept being 'abnormal' by saying 'no' to underage sex?


Even accepting the premises of your (or whoever's) argument, your suggested "solution" will not help the problem. If you give kids the message "Sex is only something adults do", then you are providing a kid who wants be be an "adult" the perfect reason to have sex.

This is similar to a tactic the tobacco companies used to use. They would sponsor school education programs that, on the surface, gave the message that kids shouldn't smoke. But the actual message being given was "If you don't smoke, you're just a kid."

Anyway, your entire argument is based on the premise that there is something inherently wrong with teenagers having sex in and of itself. The alternative view is that the problems only arise from the consequences of sexual activity without appropriate precautions, and education and access to contraceptive and barrier devices are the proven methods of preventing those.
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Re: Should we give kids condoms at school?

#8  Postby laklak » Jun 03, 2013 3:13 pm

Just keep 'em in cages till they're grown up. No more teenaged pregnancy, no juvenile delinquency, no Justin Bieber concerts. It's a win-win-win situation, I tell ya.
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Re: Should we give kids condoms at school?

#9  Postby trubble76 » Jun 03, 2013 3:15 pm

laklak wrote:Just keep 'em in cages till they're grown up. No more teenaged pregnancy, no juvenile delinquency, no Justin Bieber concerts. It's a win-win-win situation, I tell ya.


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Re: Should we give kids condoms at school?

#10  Postby mattthomas » Jun 03, 2013 3:28 pm

The best way to put children off sex is to get them to imagine their parents going at it hell for leather in crotchless PVC pants while Lionel Blair or Englebert Humperdink plays softly in the background.
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#11  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jun 03, 2013 3:59 pm

Matt_B wrote:This looks like a copy/paste from here:
http://www.thescienceforum.com/behavior ... chool.html

As such, I won't dignify it with an answer.


Is that not breaking the FUA... :whistle:

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#12  Postby natselrox » Jun 03, 2013 4:04 pm

Matt_B wrote:This looks like a copy/paste from here:
http://www.thescienceforum.com/behavior ... chool.html

As such, I won't dignify it with an answer.


So does one of the other threads (only one I googled) started by the OP on agriculture and civilisation.

Dunno what to make of that...
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#13  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jun 03, 2013 5:53 pm

natselrox wrote:
Matt_B wrote:This looks like a copy/paste from here:
http://www.thescienceforum.com/behavior ... chool.html

As such, I won't dignify it with an answer.


So does one of the other threads (only one I googled) started by the OP on agriculture and civilisation.

Dunno what to make of that...


Well article 3.8 of the FUA:

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Re: Should we give kids condoms at school?

#14  Postby Imagination Theory » Jun 06, 2013 2:30 am

Do kids get birth control at school?
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Re: Should we give kids condoms at school?

#15  Postby Trevor » Aug 18, 2013 6:13 am

Yes, give schoolkids condoms - available from any age, though with education.
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