Spinoff from the Eric Pepke thread - pedophiles

[Thomas Eshuis]

You know what they say about claims asserted without evidence ...

There a plenty of observations about different generations. Is yours any different? No ofcourse not. As I said making these assertions is simply being your generation.

Circular reasoning at it's finest. Not to mention the continued refusal to acknowledge the facts that contradict your position.

What facts?

The facts pointed out in the video, which I also pointed out to you: that every generation complains the next generation is lazy, self-entitled and no-good.
Also, most of the prominent claims made about millenials are refuted by statistical evidence.
Finally, that 'we' are a very diverse 'generation'.

[Thomas Eshuis]

AUTHOR: Socrates (469–399 B.C.)
QUOTATION: The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

[Scot Dutchy]

The Boomers did not have luxury. Please!

[Thomas Eshuis]

The Boomers did not have luxury. Please!

You're kidding right? (Not that I said they did in the first place.)

[Scot Dutchy]

Just posting this for interest:

Millennials

Strauss and Howe's research has been influential, but it also has critics.[61] Psychologist Jean Twenge says Strauss & Howe's assertions are overly-deterministic, non-falsifiable, and unsupported by rigorous evidence. Twenge, the author of the 2006 book Generation Me, considers Millennials, along with younger members of Generation X, to be part of what she calls "Generation Me".[62] Twenge attributes Millennials with the traits of confidence and tolerance, but also describes a sense of entitlement and narcissism, based on personality surveys showing increased narcissism among Millennials compared to preceding generations when they were teens and in their twenties. She questions the predictions of Strauss and Howe that this generation will turn out civic-minded.[63][64] A 2016 study by SYZYGY a digital service agency, found Millennials in the U.S. continue to exhibit elevated scores on the Narcissistic Personality Inventory as they age, finding millennials exhibited 16% more narcissism than older adults, with males scoring higher on average than females. The study examined two types of narcissism: grandiose narcissism, described as “the narcissism of extraverts, characterized by attention-seeking behavior, power and dominance”, and vulnerable narcissism, described as “the narcissism of introverts, characterized by an acute sense of self-entitlement and defensiveness.”[43][44][65]

The University of Michigan's "Monitoring the Future" study of high school seniors (conducted continually since 1975) and the American Freshman survey, conducted by UCLA's Higher Education Research Institute of new college students since 1966, showed an increase in the proportion of students who consider wealth a very important attribute, from 45% for Baby Boomers (surveyed between 1967 and 1985) to 70% for Gen Xers, and 75% for Millennials. The percentage who said it was important to keep abreast of political affairs fell, from 50% for Baby Boomers to 39% for Gen Xers, and 35% for Millennials. The notion of "developing a meaningful philosophy of life" decreased the most across generations, from 73% for Boomers to 45% for Millennials. The willingness to be involved in an environmental cleanup program dropped from 33% for Baby Boomers to 21% for Millennials.[66]

A few interesting points there?

[Nicko]

I realise this is a spinoff thread and so, by it's very nature, will tend to be somewhat discursive, but can we get back to talking about people with paedophillic paraphillias or just let the fucking thing die?

[Thomas Eshuis]

I realise this is a spinoff thread and so, by it's very nature, will tend to be somewhat discursive, but can we get back to talking about people with paedophillic paraphillias or just let the fucking thing die?

Good point.

[SpeedOfSound]

I realise this is a spinoff thread and so, by it's very nature, will tend to be somewhat discursive, but can we get back to talking about people with paedophillic paraphillias or just let the fucking thing die?

I always feel a little gritty when talking about this one but I think it's interesting. My thought is that all of this 'pedo-for-life' stuff was invented by the media. I actually remember the first times I heard about it and noticed that it was serious scholars like Nancy Grace who did it.

I understand that it is a paraphilia but do not see how that is not like any other behavioral problem. If the research on this for-life stuff is nothing more than a questionnaire for prisoners then I have no reason at all to believe it. More likely it's one of those things that if you believe it incurable and you happen to have the problem then cure will not be happening.

My own experience with something I think partly parallel is with alcohol and stimulants.

[felltoearth]

The Boomers did not have luxury. Please!

Oh just fuck off now. You have no idea.

[felltoearth]

I've just requested a split.

[tuco]

You've got a big heart, tuco. Fair play.

I read epepke's letter (using the second link; first one didn't work). He doesn't discuss his case but says his appeal will knock the socks off the supreme court. He sounds profoundly lonely and desperate for corrospondence. I'm tempted to write him myself. We all make mistakes...then again the thought of being friendly with a paedophile doesn't sit well with me, if, indeed, he is one. Not sure.

Cooperative is friendly? Are you one of those types, one of those monkeys who pick fleas off each other, who cant cooperate unless being friendly? I will not name names but its fucking obvious even in this community how group dynamics work, how monkeys gotta interact with each other so they can cooperate instead of killing themselves. Fucking pathetic.

Anyway, that would be for an essay ;) .. what to say? Let me just say that I do not think the world would be a better place if I would not write him.

[Keep It Real]

Let me just say that I do not think the world would be a better place if I would not write him.

I can think of one way - perhaps he views your efforts as being in keeping with viewing him as being better than abhorrent, that his crimes are not abhorrent, because you have apparently forgiven him and wish to help him have an enjoyable experience in jail. There is certainly no sense of remorse in his letter. It seems he doesn't think he's done anything wrong.

[PensivePenny]

Remorse? WTF? That would be an admission of guilt... responsibility. KiR, I thought you didn't believe in that.

[Keep It Real]

You can regret your actions without taking responsibility for them. You can view them as being unfortunate and resolve never to repeat them.

[PensivePenny]

No you can't regret your actions... that implies you have a choice.

[PensivePenny]

Why "remorse" for something that you have no control over?

[tuco]

Let me just say that I do not think the world would be a better place if I would not write him.

I can think of one way - perhaps he views your efforts as being in keeping with viewing him as being better than abhorrent, that his crimes are not abhorrent, because you have apparently forgiven him and wish to help him have an enjoyable experience in jail. There is certainly no sense of remorse in his letter. It seems he doesn't think he's done anything wrong.

How he views what is beyond my control. I see someone who is in need of help and asked for help. What else do I need to know? I need to know what he's done? No I do not. I am not his judge nor crank nor parole officer. I talked to him before and now he is in jail for whatever he's done so there is no reason for me to punish him more.

Enjoyable experience in jail lol Please stop or I will, then you will get bored and you know what will happen then right?

[PensivePenny]

Tuco

Great attitude. You did what I wasn't willing to.

[SpeedOfSound]

So why wouldn't you be friends with a pedophile? If it's an incurable birth condition then we have a handicapped individual and I see no reason to stand in judgement. If it is, as I think, an addictive paraphilia concerning forbidden things, then it's a condition or sickness and again I see no reason to judge. My judgement would come on the individual having hurt an actual person directly and that is the same judging I would do if the person murdered someone, only I think murder is even more judicable. That's just me though. I kind of have a bias against killers.

The point is that we have a sticky, somewhat sickening subject, that is very difficult to even talk about. Someone having the scarlet letter is difficult to even think about let alone engage with. Does anyone else see that this puts the harm done to all involved in a bad way, where it comes to finding solutions?

On epepke I want to point out that the medical definition of a pedophile involves having engaged in the behavior for more than six months. What are the implications there?

[Keep It Real]

No you can't regret your actions... that implies you have a choice.

"It is regrettable the tide came in and drowned the tourists."

There is no sense of guilt, or blame in the above statement, just a big at the way the cookie crumbled.