Spinoff from the Eric Pepke thread - pedophiles

[Keep It Real]

So why wouldn't you be friends with a pedophile? If it's an incurable birth condition then we have a handicapped individual and I see no reason to stand in judgement. If it is, as I think, an addictive paraphilia concerning forbidden things, then it's a condition or sickness and again I see no reason to judge.

Every paedophile I've come across acts like they think there's nothing wrong with paedophilia. I think they're monstrous because of this opinion - it gives me the creeps, and I am not friends with the horrors.

[Thomas Eshuis]

So why wouldn't you be friends with a pedophile? If it's an incurable birth condition then we have a handicapped individual and I see no reason to stand in judgement. If it is, as I think, an addictive paraphilia concerning forbidden things, then it's a condition or sickness and again I see no reason to judge.

Every paedophile I've come across acts like they think there's nothing wrong with paedophilia. I think they're monstrous because of this opinion - it gives me the creeps, and I am not friends with the horrors.

And you've met how many paedophiles exactly? Out of the worldwide population.

[Keep It Real]

Enough to notice a pattern. There's also the fact I don't think people are attracted to things they think are very wrong indeed.

[Thomas Eshuis]

Enough to notice a pattern. There's also the fact I don't think people are attracted to things they think are very wrong indeed.

This is just a rewording of your already refuted appeals to personal ignorance and incedulity.
Repeating them won't make them any less fallacious and silly.

[PensivePenny]

No you can't regret your actions... that implies you have a choice.

"It is regrettable the tide came in and drowned the tourists."

There is no sense of guilt, or blame in the above statement, just a big at the way the cookie crumbled.

Moving the goalpost? You said Eric showed no signs of "remorse," which is regret for wrongdoing"... not that a cookie crumbled. That it seemed to shock you, one who purportedly believes we have no control of our actions, is what I find shocking.

[Keep It Real]

Then I shouldn't have used the word remorse. My bad.

[Fallible]

Enough to notice a pattern. There's also the fact I don't think people are attracted to things they think are very wrong indeed.

Yes, the 'fact' there is that you think this. The 'fact' is not the thing you think. That is the 'bollocks'.

[PensivePenny]

That I can accept, KiR, but I still see in the post I referenced initially that you had some expectation of Eric to have done something other than what he did. It seems to me, one who holds true that one hasn't the ability to choose their actions, would have simply accepted that Eric behaved in exactly the way he was 'programmed' to and therefore, not even noticed lack of demonstration of any expectation, whatever that expectation might have been.

[BWE]

Alternatively, if some motherfucker actually exists that gets sexual gratification from seeing a photo of a naked girl with half her skin burnt off, I will volunteer to remove the burden of further existence from said motherfucker.

Don't you think it's kinda ridiculous to decide a person needs to die based exclusively on their sexual fantasies, however disgusting they might be? What kind of thought police bullshit is this?

Anybody who gets off on such images is a disgusting human being. If you do not judge people based on their mind then what do you judge them on? The colour of their skin perhaps?

I find it hard to blame people for the way they got wired. I do not, however, find it hard to agree with/pass laws protecting children.

[Fallible]

I'm still sceptical about this 'every paedophile I've come across' line. Under what circumstances has KIR come across a (n unspecified) number of them? How does he know? Under what circumstances would paedophiles make themselves known as paedophiles in normal day-to-day life? Why would they? I only know because it's partly what they come to see me about in my professional capacity. I've no idea how many paedophiles I've come across in my normal non-work life. Sorry, doesn't add up.

[Keep It Real]

2. Throwawayaccount and epepke. In one case the anonymity of the internet showed truth, in the other case imprisonment for his crimes. Sure, a paedophile seeking to live in society might well say they find paedophilic acts morally repugnant (they have to) but secretly they think they are all well and good.

[Thomas Eshuis]

2. Throwawayaccount and epepke. In one case the anonymity of the internet showed truth, in the other case imprisonment for his crimes. Sure, a paedophile seeking to live in society might well say they find paedophilic acts morally repugnant (they have to) but secretly (in some cases) they think they are all well and good.

[Keep It Real]

yourself Thomas. Your autistic tendencies are fully evident.

[Fallible]

2. Throwawayaccount and epepke. In one case the anonymity of the internet showed truth, in the other case imprisonment for his crimes. Sure, a paedophile seeking to live in society might well say they find paedophilic acts morally repugnant (they have to) but secretly they think they are all well and good*.

So 'every paedophile I've come across' equals a grand total of two people. Two people you've never even met. One of whom expressed knowledge that what he did and desired to do was wrong (in this instance you just waved that away by claiming he wasn't telling the truth*), and one of whom denies the premise of the crime.

Again, for emphasis - 'every paedophile I've come across' equals two people. You base your claims of paedophiles as a whole on two people.

* How would you like it if I did this to you, by the way? KIR might say that he finds paedophiles abhorrent, but secretly he admires them and wishes he was more like them? How's that?

Do you understand what an unfalsifiable claim is?

Fucking hell, I bet even most paedophiles know when it's time to stop digging.

[Fallible]

:picard: yourself Thomas. Your autistic tendencies are fully evident.

Again? Just low.

[Thomas Eshuis]

:picard: yourself Thomas. Your autistic tendencies are fully evident.

What do you think you'll accomplish with pointless invective like this?

[archibald]

Fucking hell, I bet even most paedophiles know when it's time to stop digging.

Oooh. Unfortunate mental image alert.

[tuco]

2. Throwawayaccount and epepke. In one case the anonymity of the internet showed truth, in the other case imprisonment for his crimes. Sure, a paedophile seeking to live in society might well say they find paedophilic acts morally repugnant (they have to) but secretly they think they are all well and good.

Lets assume this is real situation. What is wrong with them to think they are all well and good, as long .. as they do no harm? This is important, they do not harm.

We've debated this before, with Shrunk for example, that we can imagine that CGI, in some distant future, will be able to satisfy some pedophiles up to the point that they would pose minimal threat to society. They would feel good, society would also feel good and CGI do not care. What is wrong with this?

[Fallible]

Fucking hell, I bet even most paedophiles know when it's time to stop digging.

Oooh. Unfortunate mental image alert.

[Keep It Real]

imo Fallible and Thomas Eshuis, you're paedophilia enablers, both of you. You say they think paedophilia is deeply wrong, yet they do it anyway. They need be disabused of this notion. You should be sanctioned by the board admin.