Spinoff from the Eric Pepke thread - pedophiles

[Fallible]

I really am not about to get worked up over what I am in your opinion, having a fairly good insight into what your opinions look like.

[Thomas Eshuis]

imo Fallible and Thomas Eshuis, you're paedophilia enablers, both of you. You say they think paedophilia is deeply wrong, yet they do it anyway. They need be disabused of this notion. You should be sanctioned by the board admin.

I cannot be sanctioned for something I have not done KIR.
Why don't you drop the baseless personalised remarks and adress what we actually post.

[archibald]

I have read that some pedophiles report not understanding why society thinks what they do is wrong.

"Shocking as that may be to those who don’t share their sexual attraction to children, this is why one serial sex offender told me he offends. He understands that society deems what he did was wrong, but he can’t understand why this is the case."
http://theconversation.com/psychology-o ... dren-59991

[Fallible]

Incidentally KIR, your comment doesn't make sense, surprise surprise. Why would they need to be disabused of the notion that paedophilia is deeply wrong?

[Fallible]

I have read that some pedophiles report not understanding why society thinks what they do is wrong.

True. I've met some. It's just that it's not a lack of understanding shared by all paedophiles, which is what KIR is claiming.

[archibald]

Don't forget, this thing is cultural. Once upon a time, it was out in the open.

[archibald]

I have read that some pedophiles report not understanding why society thinks what they do is wrong.

True. I've met some. It's just that it's not a lack of understanding shared by all paedophiles, which is what KIR is claiming.

Interesting phrase, 'lack of understanding'.

Sorry, I'm being deliberately controversial.

[Keep It Real]

so i fucked up my grammer. You know what I meant - that paedophiles need be disabused of the notion that paedophilia isn't deeply wrong.

Archibald - I would say it's all paedophiles. Deep down.

[Fallible]

Don't forget, this thing is cultural. Once upon a time, it was out in the open.

Yes. Lots of things have changed over the years. I recently heard about a way that...I think it was the Incas...would get their babies to go off to sleep which you wouldn't find on mumsnet.

[Fallible]

I have read that some pedophiles report not understanding why society thinks what they do is wrong.

True. I've met some. It's just that it's not a lack of understanding shared by all paedophiles, which is what KIR is claiming.

Interesting phrase, 'lack of understanding'.

Sorry, I'm being deliberately controversial.

It's your phrase.

I have read that some pedophiles report not understanding why society thinks what they do is wrong.

[archibald]

And don't forget mohhammedydaddy:

Traditional sources dictate that Aisha was six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad, but the marriage was not consummated until she was nine or ten years old.

[archibald]

I have read that some pedophiles report not understanding why society thinks what they do is wrong.

True. I've met some. It's just that it's not a lack of understanding shared by all paedophiles, which is what KIR is claiming.

Interesting phrase, 'lack of understanding'.

Sorry, I'm being deliberately controversial.

It's your phrase.

You got me. Whoops.

[Fallible]

so i fucked up my grammer. You know what I meant - that paedophiles need be disabused of the notion that paedophilia isn't deeply wrong.

Yes, KIR, it makes perfect sense. Paedophiles need to be disabused of the notion (cured of the sickness, if you will), those poor wretched sinner sinners, which you ascribed to them yourself. You sound like a religion.

Archibald - I would say it's all paedophiles. Deep down.

So the fuck what? You say a lot of stupid things, why would the advent of one more be in any way noteworthy because you thunk it?

[archibald]

Archibald - I would say it's all paedophiles. Deep down.

That's gotta be unlikely and a guess, surely? For almost every state of mind there are wide varieties in the population.

[Keep It Real]

Archy just agrees with me about everything! I'ts like i've got a better read sock puppet!

[archibald]

So, I guess one question might be...why does society think it's wrong?

[PensivePenny]

imo Fallible and Thomas Eshuis, you're paedophilia enablers, both of you. You say they think paedophilia is deeply wrong, yet they do it anyway. They need be disabused of this notion. You should be sanctioned by the board admin.

My emphasis above. Do you know what an enabler is? An enabler "authorizes" one with some ability. Assuming that ability is pedophilia, you are in essence giving them the control to decide their actions. How the hell do you square that with your belief that we have no control over our actions? No one can enable anyone if you believe man has no control over his actions. Selective determinism? Wishy washy determinism? Pick a side... you can't play for both teams.

[Fallible]

True. I've met some. It's just that it's not a lack of understanding shared by all paedophiles, which is what KIR is claiming.

Interesting phrase, 'lack of understanding'.

Sorry, I'm being deliberately controversial.

It's your phrase.

You got me. Whoops.

So, I guess the issue might be...why does society think it's wrong?

Physical harm to the child, lack of bodily autonomy, lack of social and sexual awareness?

[Fallible]

Archy just agrees with me about everything! I'ts like i've got a better read sock puppet!

Er...is this a joke?

[Fallible]

imo Fallible and Thomas Eshuis, you're paedophilia enablers, both of you. You say they think paedophilia is deeply wrong, yet they do it anyway. They need be disabused of this notion. You should be sanctioned by the board admin.

My emphasis above. Do you know what an enabler is? An enabler "authorizes" one with some ability. Assuming that ability is pedophilia, you are in essence giving them the control to decide their actions. How the hell do you square that with your belief that we have no control over our actions? No one can enable anyone if you believe man has no control over his actions. Selective determinism? Wishy washy determinism? Pick a side... you can't play for both teams.

I love how you're not letting this go.