Spinoff from the Eric Pepke thread - pedophiles

[SpeedOfSound]

However! There is a recent documentary, British, where they interview a few of these. Think it's on Netflix.

I do wonder if it is possible that we overreact to it nowadays. That probably sounds heretical. On the other hand, they are probably driven underground. I think I read once about a scheme in Germany where they could get confidential advice and therapy without the contact person having to report on them.

We certainly have too much media on the issue. Of the wrong kind. I had an incident when I was about 7, so 1958, and even then I was afraid to report him. One was shame over my own body. Another was fear of what my dad would do to him and myself. Now I later learned that this man had abused dozens of young boys and was far less polite about than he had been with me.He was a very scary man. My bus driver to boot.

So. We obviously need to address the issue in some manner. I suggest we publicize it with education rather than sensation and hatred. You are being damned brave here BTW.

I think it's a paraphilia which I believe is nothing but a very bad habit. Bad habits can be rewired if you use the right approach. To get over internet addiction to porn you go out and have some healthy normal sex with humans. Intimacy is a right potion for lust.

This leads to what should be a discussion about sex and attraction in general. Why there is this class called lust and what paraphilias are all about. I think our prudish ways, exacerbated by years of xtianity and male dominant property ideas about female sexuality have left us a little bit stupid when it comes to actually figuring out what the intricacies of our sexual biology can tell us about these social ills. There are interesting overlapping areas in our attractions to other humans and I do not mean just sexual attractions.

Now I have to get this out. Sorry guys. But fucking thanks a lot asshole motherfuckers who have swept all of this under the rug with sexual shaming and irrational moral bullshit! You allowed a predator to drive us all to school for forty years and rape about one hundred of us. Yeah. YOU GUYS! The ones who are carrying pitchforks and torches and pretending you are all self-righteous. Shaming those here who would talk openly about the subject. Fuck y'all!

A note. I got away pretty much unharmed. Some of my good friends did not get away.

[Keep It Real]

Fucking bullshit Nicko. And fuck you too, for good measure.

Fuck you, with every fibre of my being, you pathetic, misguided, trolling cunt. I'm flabbergasted by your ignorance. I hope the sun shines on a better day for you tomorrow xx

So tiresome when you get like this.

I'm going to get sanctioned. I don't get like that very often. Being accused of not wanting a decrease in paedophilia is one of them. He accused me of being a cunt - and i called him out. On a personal note - I am drunk, fwiw.

[PensivePenny]

That is what confidence is for, in my opinion, insecurity respectively. I do understand, your anger as I do have mine, but anyone is free to try to convert me because .. good luck, and if it gets too much .. fuck off

If we brought in some facts, Keep It Real would have to stand down from some of his claims, but I'd be surprised if it would change his feelings. So from this point of view, cooking him in his own stew serves little, tho understandable, purpose. I know this is my song but .. we all have our problems, just some can hide them better.

Emphasis above... I disagree. This is a rational skepticism website, or it's supposed to be in any case. Most of us here will challenge anyone's delusion and force them to confront it (like a theist for example). It doesn't help the delusional (not speaking of KiR personally) to validate the delusion (generally). True, it is something best treated with years of therapy and perhaps even medication, but this site isn't a substitution for therapy. It's a lion's den and theists (believers of all stripes) are a juicy buffalo. Would you scold the lion for eating the buffalo? Don't forget, this is NOT a school ground. It is a website. Perhaps KiR comes here to try and confront whatever it is he has to deal with. The best part is he gets to control the dosage. He can walk away from his computer, put down his phone or even take a breather on another website. Maybe making those choices will make him realize he DOES have control in his life. Or maybe not.

The same is true for each and every one of us with problems. We come and go as it suits our needs. Nobody here (I don't think) is judging KiR or disliking him (as he implied he did me) or even making it personal because of his beliefs.

You're right, it may not change his feelings and that's okay. But, someday long after this site doesn't exist, this place could be the lifeline that helped him when he most needed it... in whatever way he sees fit.

[PensivePenny]

Fuck you, with every fibre of my being, you pathetic, misguided, trolling cunt. I'm flabbergasted by your ignorance. I hope the sun shines on a better day for you tomorrow xx

So tiresome when you get like this.

I'm going to get sanctioned. I don't get like that very often. Being accused of not wanting a decrease in paedophilia is one of them. He accused me of being a cunt - and i called him out. On a personal note - I am drunk, fwiw.

You must be pissed then... I only saw YOU call HIM a cunt. Did I miss something?

[Keep It Real]

He said I had no interest in reducing paedophilik acts - that makes him a cunt, in my book.

[Fallible]

Go to bed.

[Beatrice]

:picard: yourself Thomas. Your autistic tendencies are fully evident.

Whether it's an autistic tendency or not, rigour is a trait to be commended.

[PensivePenny]

OT...Speaking of autism... anyone see that story about the kid with autism who was selected for a Rhodes Scholarship? How cool is that?

[Nicko]

He said I had no interest in reducing paedophilik acts - that makes him a cunt, in my book.

I take it this is the same book that assesses it as either accurate or fair to describe people who want paedophiles to access treatment and therapy that reduce the likelihood of their harming children as "pedophile enablers" who "think pedophillia is ok"?

[tuco]

That is what confidence is for, in my opinion, insecurity respectively. I do understand, your anger as I do have mine, but anyone is free to try to convert me because .. good luck, and if it gets too much .. fuck off :)

If we brought in some facts, Keep It Real would have to stand down from some of his claims, but I'd be surprised if it would change his feelings. So from this point of view, cooking him in his own stew serves little, tho understandable, purpose. I know this is my song but .. we all have our problems, just some can hide them better.

Emphasis above... I disagree. This is a rational skepticism website, or it's supposed to be in any case. Most of us here will challenge anyone's delusion and force them to confront it (like a theist for example). It doesn't help the delusional (not speaking of KiR personally) to validate the delusion (generally). True, it is something best treated with years of therapy and perhaps even medication, but this site isn't a substitution for therapy. It's a lion's den and theists (believers of all stripes) are a juicy buffalo. Would you scold the lion for eating the buffalo? Don't forget, this is NOT a school ground. It is a website. Perhaps KiR comes here to try and confront whatever it is he has to deal with. The best part is he gets to control the dosage. He can walk away from his computer, put down his phone or even take a breather on another website. Maybe making those choices will make him realize he DOES have control in his life. Or maybe not. :dunno:

The same is true for each and every one of us with problems. We come and go as it suits our needs. Nobody here (I don't think) is judging KiR or disliking him (as he implied he did me) or even making it personal because of his beliefs.

You're right, it may not change his feelings and that's okay. But, someday long after this site doesn't exist, this place could be the lifeline that helped him when he most needed it... in whatever way he sees fit.

Well, so you challenged him, as far as I can see he got mad, has not changed his mind nor his feelings changed and now he is suspended. So good job or something?

It is worse than school ground at times. Its kindergarten.

Bla bla bla ..
You are wrong.
No I am not.
You are, you talk bollocks.
I do not! And dont say bollocks its not nice.
Haha we can say bollocks, the teacher said so! haha
meanwhile other kids join in ..
You are still wrong!
echoes the room
You say stupid things! haha
at this point he is so annoyed that no amount of talking sense makes sense while the room chants
dont let him get away, dont let him get away!
/pulls her hair
/pushes him away
/randomly kicks around
teacher teacher come he did it! he did it!

RS

[Thomas Eshuis]

And once again you manage to present a fantastical view of what actually occured tuco.

[Scot Dutchy]

And once again you manage to present a fantastical view of what actually occured tuco.

Does he or is that YOHO?

[Thomas Eshuis]

And once again you manage to present a fantastical view of what actually occured tuco.

Does he or is that YOHO?

A fact. Feel free to demonstrate otherwise.

[Fallible]

Oh, great.

[PensivePenny]

That is what confidence is for, in my opinion, insecurity respectively. I do understand, your anger as I do have mine, but anyone is free to try to convert me because .. good luck, and if it gets too much .. fuck off

If we brought in some facts, Keep It Real would have to stand down from some of his claims, but I'd be surprised if it would change his feelings. So from this point of view, cooking him in his own stew serves little, tho understandable, purpose. I know this is my song but .. we all have our problems, just some can hide them better.

Emphasis above... I disagree. This is a rational skepticism website, or it's supposed to be in any case. Most of us here will challenge anyone's delusion and force them to confront it (like a theist for example). It doesn't help the delusional (not speaking of KiR personally) to validate the delusion (generally). True, it is something best treated with years of therapy and perhaps even medication, but this site isn't a substitution for therapy. It's a lion's den and theists (believers of all stripes) are a juicy buffalo. Would you scold the lion for eating the buffalo? Don't forget, this is NOT a school ground. It is a website. Perhaps KiR comes here to try and confront whatever it is he has to deal with. The best part is he gets to control the dosage. He can walk away from his computer, put down his phone or even take a breather on another website. Maybe making those choices will make him realize he DOES have control in his life. Or maybe not.

The same is true for each and every one of us with problems. We come and go as it suits our needs. Nobody here (I don't think) is judging KiR or disliking him (as he implied he did me) or even making it personal because of his beliefs.

You're right, it may not change his feelings and that's okay. But, someday long after this site doesn't exist, this place could be the lifeline that helped him when he most needed it... in whatever way he sees fit.

Well, so you challenged him, as far as I can see he got mad, has not changed his mind nor his feelings changed and now he is suspended. So good job or something?

It is worse than school ground at times. Its kindergarten.

Bla bla bla ..
You are wrong.
No I am not.
You are, you talk bollocks.
I do not! And dont say bollocks its not nice.
Haha we can say bollocks, the teacher said so! haha
meanwhile other kids join in ..
You are still wrong!
echoes the room
You say stupid things! haha
at this point he is so annoyed that no amount of talking sense makes sense while the room chants
dont let him get away, dont let him get away!
/pulls her hair
/pushes him away
/randomly kicks around
teacher teacher come he did it! he did it!

RS

Don't blame the scorpion, tuco. Isn't that the lesson?

Or, maybe like most of us, we learn from our mistakes. I certainly was not trying to get him booted.

[Thomas Eshuis]

That is what confidence is for, in my opinion, insecurity respectively. I do understand, your anger as I do have mine, but anyone is free to try to convert me because .. good luck, and if it gets too much .. fuck off

If we brought in some facts, Keep It Real would have to stand down from some of his claims, but I'd be surprised if it would change his feelings. So from this point of view, cooking him in his own stew serves little, tho understandable, purpose. I know this is my song but .. we all have our problems, just some can hide them better.

Emphasis above... I disagree. This is a rational skepticism website, or it's supposed to be in any case. Most of us here will challenge anyone's delusion and force them to confront it (like a theist for example). It doesn't help the delusional (not speaking of KiR personally) to validate the delusion (generally). True, it is something best treated with years of therapy and perhaps even medication, but this site isn't a substitution for therapy. It's a lion's den and theists (believers of all stripes) are a juicy buffalo. Would you scold the lion for eating the buffalo? Don't forget, this is NOT a school ground. It is a website. Perhaps KiR comes here to try and confront whatever it is he has to deal with. The best part is he gets to control the dosage. He can walk away from his computer, put down his phone or even take a breather on another website. Maybe making those choices will make him realize he DOES have control in his life. Or maybe not.

The same is true for each and every one of us with problems. We come and go as it suits our needs. Nobody here (I don't think) is judging KiR or disliking him (as he implied he did me) or even making it personal because of his beliefs.

You're right, it may not change his feelings and that's okay. But, someday long after this site doesn't exist, this place could be the lifeline that helped him when he most needed it... in whatever way he sees fit.

Well, so you challenged him, as far as I can see he got mad, has not changed his mind nor his feelings changed and now he is suspended. So good job or something?

It is worse than school ground at times. Its kindergarten.

Bla bla bla ..
You are wrong.
No I am not.
You are, you talk bollocks.
I do not! And dont say bollocks its not nice.
Haha we can say bollocks, the teacher said so! haha
meanwhile other kids join in ..
You are still wrong!
echoes the room
You say stupid things! haha
at this point he is so annoyed that no amount of talking sense makes sense while the room chants
dont let him get away, dont let him get away!
/pulls her hair
/pushes him away
/randomly kicks around
teacher teacher come he did it! he did it!

RS

Don't blame the scorpion, tuco. Isn't that the lesson?

Or, maybe like most of us, we learn from our mistakes. I certainly was not trying to get him booted.

You're missing the point. tuco just wants to demonstrate how he's so above it all.

[Nicko]

Well, so you challenged him, as far as I can see he got mad, has not changed his mind nor his feelings changed and now he is suspended. So good job or something?

No one made KIR respond to my assessment of his behaviour in this thread with a stream of personal abuse. He did that himself.

Regardless of whether my description of his stance in this thread as an example of "virtue signalling" is accurate - obviously I think it is - nothing in my posts compelled him to answer with the torrent of personal invective that he resorted to. There exist an almost infinite number of dissenting responses he could have given to my - not to mention Fall and Thomas' - assertions that would have fallen well short of violating the FUA.

You don't find it at all indicative that the moment someone observes that he seems more interested in "proving" to everyone here that he hates paedophiles the mostest than examining the problem of how to prevent them from harming children, he immediately goes into "suicide by mode" mode?

[tuco]

However! There is a recent documentary, British, where they interview a few of these. Think it's on Netflix.

I do wonder if it is possible that we overreact to it nowadays. That probably sounds heretical. On the other hand, they are probably driven underground. I think I read once about a scheme in Germany where they could get confidential advice and therapy without the contact person having to report on them.

Overreact? I observe about the same reaction as there is to car accidents and I dunno anyone who overreacts. Do you?

[PensivePenny]

Great, now we need to define what qualifies as "overreacting."

[tuco]

As it was, correctly, noted I am above it all so keep trying.