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Re: Spinoff from the Eric Pepke thread - pedophiles

#481  Postby VazScep » Jan 10, 2017 6:14 pm

This is getting rather off-topic. Can we get back to whether millenials are entitled?
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Re: Spinoff from the Eric Pepke thread - pedophiles

#482  Postby tuco » Jan 10, 2017 6:21 pm

Nah that is not fun.

Lets lynch someone?! That's fun!

Only trying to pronounce the word millennials sends shivers down my spine. But lynching? Its exciting! Let it all out and .. now the best part .. be right at the same time. We are also in sin but as long as we, think we, are rational we can throw stones. Cmon, pick one too. Gonna like it, telling you.
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#483  Postby PensivePenny » Jan 10, 2017 6:24 pm

you're in rare form today tuco
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#484  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jan 10, 2017 6:34 pm

We can always move on to Generation Snowflake.
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#485  Postby felltoearth » Jan 10, 2017 7:03 pm

tuco wrote:Nah that is not fun.

Lets lynch someone?! That's fun!

Only trying to pronounce the word millennials sends shivers down my spine. But lynching? Its exciting! Let it all out and .. now the best part .. be right at the same time. We are also in sin but as long as we, think we, are rational we can throw stones. Cmon, pick one too. Gonna like it, telling you.



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Re: Spinoff from the Eric Pepke thread - pedophiles

#486  Postby tuco » Jan 10, 2017 8:25 pm

I was tempted many times to sign up but since I do not play to win I concluded its better not to spoil it for others.
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Re: Spinoff from the Eric Pepke thread - pedophiles

#487  Postby tuco » Jan 11, 2017 11:30 am

I was not aware it was cool off suspension, which I find appropriate, so if anyone cares I reevaluated my opinion about calling the teacher when he finally did it.
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Re: Spinoff from the Eric Pepke thread - pedophiles

#488  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Jan 11, 2017 11:45 am

I laugh whenever the forum's most reactionary members go off on the supposed sensitivity of millenials.
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Re: Spinoff from the Eric Pepke thread - pedophiles

#489  Postby The_Metatron » Jan 12, 2017 5:12 pm

Although a bit off topic, I get a similar kick out of classifying people according to the year they were born, as if some line exists between generation this or generation that. The very discussion of "millenials" assumes there's validity to the label, as if they are somehow different based on when they were born.
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#490  Postby The_Metatron » Jan 12, 2017 5:19 pm

Along the lines of this topic, the subject of this article would be Primus' teacher, if we put our boys in public school:

Cheyenne teacher arrested, faces child porn charges

CHEYENNE, Wyo. -- A Cheyenne elementary school teacher has been accused of trying to distribute child pornography.

The sixth-grade teacher at Henderson Elementary was arrested last week after a monthslong investigation into a tip from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children that suggested he tried to send child pornography via email. The Casper Star Tribune reports the suspect is Matt Brandon Bell. He is scheduled for a preliminary hearing Friday.

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I'm sure it's fine, though. Just a sixth grade teacher, in close unsupervised contact with just the right aged kids.
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#491  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jan 12, 2017 5:22 pm

The_Metatron wrote:Along the lines of this topic, the subject of this article would be Primus' teacher, if we put our boys in public school:

Cheyenne teacher arrested, faces child porn charges

CHEYENNE, Wyo. -- A Cheyenne elementary school teacher has been accused of trying to distribute child pornography.

The sixth-grade teacher at Henderson Elementary was arrested last week after a monthslong investigation into a tip from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children that suggested he tried to send child pornography via email. The Casper Star Tribune reports the suspect is Matt Brandon Bell. He is scheduled for a preliminary hearing Friday.

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I'm sure it's fine, though. Just a sixth grade teacher, in close unsupervised contact with just the right aged kids.

So you keep your kids away from the rest of the world at all times then?
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#492  Postby The_Metatron » Jan 12, 2017 5:29 pm

What you take or not is of no account to me. These events actually happened, right here where I live.

Would you put your kid in this guy's class?
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#493  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jan 12, 2017 5:33 pm

The_Metatron wrote:What you take or not is of no account to me. These events actually happened, right here where I live.

Yes, people who produce/spread child pornogprahy exist.
The chance that one of them is your child's teacher is actually very slim.
You might just as well have posted an article about a teacher turning out to be a terrorist.

The_Metatron wrote:Would you put your kid in this guy's class?

Now that I know this, no.
But neither do I see it as a sound argument against public education.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#494  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jan 12, 2017 5:35 pm

How about teaching priests?
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#495  Postby The_Metatron » Jan 12, 2017 6:45 pm

PensivePenny wrote:The_metatron, I've seen you say "ironclad" "locked down" etc as if you expect absolute security. Is that realistic in your opinion or just a desire?

You've seen this? Where?

The only place I used the term "ironclad" was in characterizing another member's opinion. I haven't used the phrase "locked down" on this forum. Ever.

The advanced search function on our forum is useful.

I don't know from where you drew this estimate of my expectations.
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Re: Spinoff from the Eric Pepke thread - pedophiles

#496  Postby PensivePenny » Jan 12, 2017 6:55 pm

Jesus Met, I said that a month ago! Couldn't have asked about it more timely? I don't recall what it was in reference to. I'll see if I can figure out to what I was referring.
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#497  Postby The_Metatron » Jan 12, 2017 7:01 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
The_Metatron wrote:What you take or not is of no account to me. These events actually happened, right here where I live.

Yes, people who produce/spread child pornogprahy exist.
The chance that one of them is your child's teacher is actually very slim.
You might just as well have posted an article about a teacher turning out to be a terrorist.

The_Metatron wrote:Would you put your kid in this guy's class?

Now that I know this, no.
But neither do I see it as a sound argument against public education.

You're generally pretty good at writing about things you know. I can assure you, public education in America is not one of those things.

Let's have a look at how slim that chance is that any particular child is going to have a teacher who is a pedophile. As I found earlier in this topic, some 1.7% of adult men are pedophiles. A little more than three out of two hundred, or about one in every 66.

How many teachers will a child encounter before they leave school? 50? 100? In my primary and high school life, I estimate I had something around 50 different teachers. Probably 30 of those where men. That means there was nearly a 50 percent certainty that one of those 30 men was a pedophile. That back of the envelope cyphering includes only teachers. That likelihood of a kid encountering a pedophile, even only among their teachers, isn't as slim as you think it is.
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#498  Postby The_Metatron » Jan 12, 2017 7:02 pm

PensivePenny wrote:Jesus Met, I said that a month ago! Couldn't have asked about it more timely? I don't recall what it was in reference to. I'll see if I can figure out to what I was referring.

Yeah, I know. Sorry. I ran into it while looking at something else, and realized I failed to answer you.
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#499  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jan 12, 2017 7:18 pm

The_Metatron wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
The_Metatron wrote:What you take or not is of no account to me. These events actually happened, right here where I live.

Yes, people who produce/spread child pornogprahy exist.
The chance that one of them is your child's teacher is actually very slim.
You might just as well have posted an article about a teacher turning out to be a terrorist.

The_Metatron wrote:Would you put your kid in this guy's class?

Now that I know this, no.
But neither do I see it as a sound argument against public education.

You're generally pretty good at writing about things you know.

Thank you.

The_Metatron wrote: I can assure you, public education in America is not one of those things.

It was not my intention to imply or claim I was an expert on the subject.
However, unless America has a significantly higher rate of child sex offenders among the general population, I fail to see how this one anecdote about a single teacher being involved in this, is a sound argument against the US public school system.
I am perfectly willing to change my mind if you can explain/demonstrate why I should.

The_Metatron wrote:
Let's have a look at how slim that chance is that any particular child is going to have a teacher who is a pedophile. As I found earlier in this topic, some 1.7% of adult men are pedophiles. A little more than three out of two hundred, or one in every 66.

How many teachers will a child encounter before they leave school? 50? 100? In my primary and high school life, I estimate I had something around 50 different teachers.

How did that happen?
And how typical is this for the average American pupil?

The_Metatron wrote: Probably 30 of those where men. That means there was nearly a 50 percent certainty that one of those 30 men was a pedophile.

Actually it doesn't.
That only works if you assume male teachers represent a 1:1 representation of the US male population.
Given that men represent less than 20% of all teachers in elementary and a little more than 40% in secondary education, they are not.
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The_Metatron wrote: That back of the envelope cyphering includes only teachers. That likelihood of a kid encountering a pedophile, even only among their teachers, isn't as slim as you think it is.

Except that, again, the total population of men in the US is not necessarily representative for the population of men who want to, or are employed in education.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#500  Postby The_Metatron » Jan 12, 2017 8:07 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
The_Metatron wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
The_Metatron wrote:What you take or not is of no account to me. These events actually happened, right here where I live.

Yes, people who produce/spread child pornogprahy exist.
The chance that one of them is your child's teacher is actually very slim.
You might just as well have posted an article about a teacher turning out to be a terrorist.

The_Metatron wrote:Would you put your kid in this guy's class?

Now that I know this, no.
But neither do I see it as a sound argument against public education.

You're generally pretty good at writing about things you know.

Thank you.

The_Metatron wrote:I can assure you, public education in America is not one of those things.

It was not my intention to imply or claim I was an expert on the subject.

However, unless America has a significantly higher rate of child sex offenders among the general population, I fail to see how this one anecdote about a single teacher being involved in this, is a sound argument against the US public school system.
I am perfectly willing to change my mind if you can explain/demonstrate why I should.

You do like to make shit up, don't you? When you find the place where I wrote this, we can discuss it. What I illustrated is that I dodged this risk successfully.

But, maybe it's not really fair to brag about that. As you'll soon learn below, I had probably at least a one in four chance of being successful at dodging this risk to my boys...

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
The_Metatron wrote:Let's have a look at how slim that chance is that any particular child is going to have a teacher who is a pedophile. As I found earlier in this topic, some 1.7% of adult men are pedophiles. A little more than three out of two hundred, or one in every 66.

How many teachers will a child encounter before they leave school? 50? 100? In my primary and high school life, I estimate I had something around 50 different teachers.

How did that happen? And how typical is this for the average American pupil?

Work the numbers. In grade school, I had roughly two teachers per grade. Most of my elementary teachers were women. In years 7-12, each class had a different teacher, and I remember none of them that taught more than one grade. More of that group of teachers were men. Maths and sciences, mostly. My music teachers were men. So figure, six courses, 5 years, different teachers for each course. In a typical middle school or high school day, I was taught by six different teachers.

Is this common now? Maybe not. Conversations with other parents indicate it is.
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The_Metatron wrote: Probably 30 of those where men. That means there was nearly a 50 percent certainty that one of those 30 men was a pedophile.

Actually it doesn't.

Actually, it does. If 30 of my teachers were men, and about 1 in 66 men are pedophiles, then the likelihood that one of my 30 male teachers was a pedophile is a little less than 50%. I doubt these simple arithmetic problems are beyond you.

Thomas Eshuis wrote:That only works if you assume male teachers represent a 1:1 representation of the US male population.
Given that men represent less than 20% of all teachers in elementary and a little more than 40% in secondary education, they are not.
http://www.menteach.org/resources/data_about_men_teachers

Yes. And? Some 60 percent of my teachers were men. What of it? Let's do some more of this math stuff:

There was a 50% likelihood that one of my 30 male teachers was a pedophile. Even at the averages you quoted being men, that still works out to a child having some 15 male teachers. That means there's a nearly 25% chance that one of those 15 is a pedophile.

One chance in four.

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
The_Metatron wrote: That back of the envelope cyphering includes only teachers. That likelihood of a kid encountering a pedophile, even only among their teachers, isn't as slim as you think it is.

Except that, again, the total population of men in the US is not necessarily representative for the population of men who want to, or are employed in education.

Who cares? Unless you're asserting that the prevalence of pedophilia among those 30 men who taught me is something different than 1.7%? You're going to have to support that, aren't you?
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