The benefits of the British empire to the world

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Re: The benefits of the British empire to the world

#41  Postby Animavore » Jan 19, 2023 8:20 pm

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#42  Postby The_Metatron » Jan 19, 2023 8:33 pm

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Re: The benefits of the British empire to the world

#43  Postby jamest » Jan 20, 2023 7:31 pm

I've thought of one possible benefit for the world, which is that 'the colonials' provided several million men to fight alongside the British in both World Wars. Arguably, without them, Germany could have won either of those wars (prior to US involvement). Food for thought, anyway.
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Re: The benefits of the British empire to the world

#44  Postby Evolving » Jan 20, 2023 8:05 pm

The whole system of European alliances, the whole balance of power, would have been utterly different if Britain hadn't had an empire and had been just an insignificant island at the edge of the continent as at the time of the Spanish Armada.

How it would have been dfferent rather depends on whether we're assuming that the Spanish, Portuguese, French and Dutch had still had their overseas empires or hadn't had them either.
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Re: The benefits of the British empire to the world

#45  Postby jamest » Jan 20, 2023 9:48 pm

Evolving wrote:The whole system of European alliances, the whole balance of power, would have been utterly different if Britain hadn't had an empire and had been just an insignificant island at the edge of the continent as at the time of the Spanish Armada.

How it would have been dfferent rather depends on whether we're assuming that the Spanish, Portuguese, French and Dutch had still had their overseas empires or hadn't had them either.

Fair point, though what I'm saying is that an enemy of Germany (Britain) happened to be the country with such a big empire that it possibly/probably affected the outcome of either/both world wars, which I think is very significant for the rest of the world.
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Re: The benefits of the British empire to the world

#46  Postby The_Metatron » Jan 21, 2023 12:08 am

Evolving wrote:The whole system of European alliances, the whole balance of power, would have been utterly different if Britain hadn't had an empire and had been just an insignificant island at the edge of the continent as at the time of the Spanish Armada.

How it would have been dfferent rather depends on whether we're assuming that the Spanish, Portuguese, French and Dutch had still had their overseas empires or hadn't had them either.

And, what about the Spanish Inquisition, which no one expected?
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Re: The benefits of the British empire to the world

#47  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 21, 2023 2:49 am

Sendraks wrote:As long as one is prepared to consider "benefit" as "not remotely a net positive" then darnwelling's observations stack up.


Or 'eventually and coincidentally became a benefit after decades, or centuries of exploitation, when the subordinate nations became independent'.
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Re: The benefits of the British empire to the world

#48  Postby Sendraks » Jan 24, 2023 12:04 pm

Spearthrower wrote:
Sendraks wrote:As long as one is prepared to consider "benefit" as "not remotely a net positive" then darnwelling's observations stack up.


Or 'eventually and coincidentally became a benefit after decades, or centuries of exploitation, when the subordinate nations became independent'.


'but found their nations significantly depleted of resources, these having been leached away for the benefit of the empire (specifically England. More specifically rich landowners in England).'
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