We're all slaves

BlackBart · **#21** by **BlackBart** » Oct 01, 2010 4:50 pm

Raliegh Marsden wrote:What I'm saying is that we literally are slaves. It's an elaborate and subtle system designed to make us feel like we're free when really we're not.

Well, this particular slave has been on lying on a sofa all afternoon with a particularly nice bottle of Merlot.

Of course, every lifeform is a 'slave' to avoiding starving, succumbing to disease, predation or freezing to death. I suspect society evolved (wasn't designed) to avoid those particular fates for as long as possible, rather than keep us as unsuspecting goods and chattel for a mysterious overlord who's currently reclining on a sofa quaffing wine.

Oh, hang on...

Teague · **#22** by **Teague** » Oct 01, 2010 5:02 pm

Raliegh Marsden wrote:What I'm saying is that we literally are slaves. It's an elaborate and subtle system designed to make us feel like we're free when really we're not.

As opposed to wearing a collar, being chained up and being the property of someone, with no say and no rights? Sorry but I call bullshit.

We wear the same clothes because it feels odd to stand out but nobody is stopping you from wearing what you want.

You don't have to work, go on welfare.

Go live in Iran if you think you're a save here.

Or China.

Society has never been freer. Yes it may be controlled by the rich but you still have a choice to do pretty much what you want and also have the resources to do it.

So what freedoms are you missing?

Mazille · **#23** by **Mazille** » Oct 01, 2010 5:33 pm

If you define the term "slave" wide enough, then yes, I suppose we all are slaves. Then again, we're also all apple trees. :dunno:

katja z · **#24** by **katja z** » Oct 01, 2010 5:36 pm

Mazille wrote:If you define the term "slave" wide enough, then yes, I suppose we all are slaves. Then again, we're also all apple trees.

Mr.Samsa · **#25** by **Mr.Samsa** » Oct 01, 2010 11:28 pm

"Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose
And nothin' ain't worth nothin' but it's free."

Doubtdispelled · **#26** by **Doubtdispelled** » Oct 01, 2010 11:32 pm

Mr.Samsa wrote:"Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose
And nothin' ain't worth nothin' but it's free."

Is that you, Bobby?

Mr.Samsa · **#27** by **Mr.Samsa** » Oct 01, 2010 11:36 pm

Doubtdispelled wrote:
Mr.Samsa wrote:"Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose
And nothin' ain't worth nothin' but it's free."

Is that you, Bobby?

Well, me and Bobby. :grin:

Doubtdispelled · **#28** by **Doubtdispelled** » Oct 01, 2010 11:43 pm

Mr.Samsa wrote:
Doubtdispelled wrote:
Mr.Samsa wrote:"Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose
And nothin' ain't worth nothin' but it's free."

Is that you, Bobby?

Well, me and Bobby.

Well, that's good enough for me!

:lol:

Sciwoman · **#29** by **Sciwoman** » Oct 02, 2010 12:53 am

katja z wrote:
Mazille wrote:If you define the term "slave" wide enough, then yes, I suppose we all are slaves. Then again, we're also all apple trees.

Spinozasgalt · **#30** by **Spinozasgalt** » Oct 02, 2010 12:57 am

The OP just looks like your typical state of nature to me.

Raliegh Marsden · **#31** by **Raliegh Marsden** » Oct 02, 2010 3:36 pm

More evidence of the fact that we are slaves :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-Act.html

Please feel free to discuss the article, and consider the implications.

z8000783 · **#32** by **z8000783** » Oct 02, 2010 3:40 pm

You still haven't clarified the distinction between being free and being a slave so the discussion is meaningless.

John

Doubtdispelled · **#33** by **Doubtdispelled** » Oct 02, 2010 4:26 pm

Raliegh Marsden wrote:More evidence of the fact that we are slaves :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-Act.html

Please feel free to discuss the article, and consider the implications.

Ah, the Daily Slave!

It's terribly nice of you to give us minions permission to talk about, and ponder this enlightening article from that very best of toilet papers.

But I prefer this.

BlackBart · **#34** by **BlackBart** » Oct 02, 2010 4:29 pm

Raliegh Marsden wrote:More evidence of the fact that we are slaves :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-Act.html

Please feel free to discuss the article, and consider the implications.

Don't follow you old son. How is a law making it easier to be litigious evidence of us being slaves?

Dracena · **#35** by **Dracena** » Oct 02, 2010 4:30 pm

Doubtdispelled wrote:
Raliegh Marsden wrote:More evidence of the fact that we are slaves :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-Act.html

Please feel free to discuss the article, and consider the implications.

Ah, the Daily Slave!

It's terribly nice of you to give us minions permission to talk about, and ponder this enlightening article from that very best of toilet papers.

But I prefer this.

That's a brill website, thanks :cheers:

ramseyoptom · **#36** by **ramseyoptom** » Oct 03, 2010 8:09 pm

Raliegh Marsden wrote:What I'm saying is that we literally are slaves. It's an elaborate and subtle system designed to make us feel like we're free when really we're not.

So that's religion then. Wear this, don't wear that; eat this food, that food stuff is banned. Yes definitely a slave society after all religion is being told what to do by your master and if you don't then you are punished.

z8000783 · **#37** by **z8000783** » Oct 04, 2010 5:03 am

I believe that was going to be his point, if you are slaves already why not be slaves to God.

John

Daan · **#38** by **Daan** » Oct 07, 2010 10:23 am

I read in the newspaper a couple of months ago that in third world countries, there are more people who express themselves freely, while in our society, thanks to our material wealth, we are more managing our behaviour and dishonesty is increasing. The downside of third world life is the poverty and dullness of it. Though, dullness can be something only educated people suffer from, because the uneducated have enough with the people and circumstances around us. Educated people, with trained brains have different desires.

nimbus · **#39** by **nimbus** » Oct 11, 2010 8:07 am

Daan wrote:I read in the newspaper a couple of months ago that in third world countries, there are more people who express themselves freely, while in our society, thanks to our material wealth, we are more managing our behaviour and dishonesty is increasing. The downside of third world life is the poverty and dullness of it. Though, dullness can be something only educated people suffer from, because the uneducated have enough with the people and circumstances around us. Educated people, with trained brains have different desires.

Is dullness some sort of new disease that only educated people are capable of suffering from?

Maybe we should all throw away our computers and not bother to read any books. Otherwise we might become educated to the point where nothing satisfies us anymore!

As for dishonesty increasing, well I'm sure that you would find just as many dishonest or corrupt people in third world countries as you would in developed countries.

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