Americans lie about church attendance

Clive Durdle · #1 by **Clive Durdle** » Dec 30, 2010 9:27 pm

http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=34025

Two in five Americans say they regularly attend religious services. Upward of 90 percent of all Americans believe in God, pollsters report, and more than 70 percent have absolutely no doubt that God exists. The patron saint of Christmas, Americans insist, is the emaciated hero on the Cross, not the obese fellow in the overstuffed costume.

There is only one conclusion to draw from these numbers: Americans are significantly more religious than the citizens of other industrialized nations.

Except they are not.

Beyond the polls, social scientists have conducted more rigorous analyses of religious behavior. Rather than ask people how often they attend church, the better studies measure what people actually do. The results are surprising. Americans are hardly more religious than people living in other industrialized countries. Yet they consistently—and more or less uniquely—want others to believe they are more religious than they really are.

I'm With Stupid · #2 by **I'm With Stupid** » Dec 30, 2010 9:36 pm

Clive Durdle wrote:http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=34025

Americans are hardly more religious than people living in other industrialized countries. Yet they consistently—and more or less uniquely—want others to believe they are more religious than they really are.

Which is almost as bad. Because it doesn't matter to religious authorities whether people genuinely believe or not, as long as they can keep up the impression that they're culturally relevant or representative of mainstream opinion. Which is why the atheist and secular movement is so much more important in America than any other developed country, because it's also the place where you're likely to see the biggest apparent shift in opinion.

Areopagitican · #3 by **Areopagitican** » Dec 30, 2010 9:59 pm

I'm not sure I understand what the motivation is behind lying to one volunteer survey, then not lying to another volunteer survey?

I'm With Stupid · #4 by **I'm With Stupid** » Dec 30, 2010 10:23 pm

Areopagitican wrote:I'm not sure I understand what the motivation is behind lying to one volunteer survey, then not lying to another volunteer survey?

It's all about the way the question is asked, as usual. If people know that the survey is about religious attendance, they will give the answer they think is right or expected of them, rather than the correct answer. If you ask people a more general question about what they did step-by-step last weekend, they'll just tell you the truth. Well, if they went to a strip club or something, they might leave it out, but basically, if you explicitly mention religion in questions, you tend to over-report the religiosity of a group. It's no secret that the number of Christians in the UK plummets from over 70% to under 50% when the question asked isn't the sort of loaded question we see in the census, for example.

divagreen · #5 by **divagreen** » Dec 30, 2010 10:30 pm

One should not believe everything they hear on talk radio.

Some garner their information from a closed circuit.

Delvo · #6 by **Delvo** » Dec 31, 2010 4:05 am

Areopagitican wrote:I'm not sure I understand what the motivation is behind lying to one volunteer survey, then not lying to another volunteer survey

Not all of the information is from surveys. They also checked how many people the churches actually had in them.

Weaver · #7 by **Weaver** » Dec 31, 2010 5:19 am

I'm With Stupid wrote:
Areopagitican wrote:I'm not sure I understand what the motivation is behind lying to one volunteer survey, then not lying to another volunteer survey?

It's all about the way the question is asked, as usual. If people know that the survey is about religious attendance, they will give the answer they think is right or expected of them, rather than the correct answer. If you ask people a more general question about what they did step-by-step last weekend, they'll just tell you the truth.

This is a very valuable and effective technique when investigating criminal suspects, and trying to separate out those telling the truth from those who are lying.

Well, if they went to a strip club or something, they might leave it out, but basically, if you explicitly mention religion in questions, you tend to over-report the religiosity of a group. It's no secret that the number of Christians in the UK plummets from over 70% to under 50% when the question asked isn't the sort of loaded question we see in the census, for example.

Hnau von Thulcandra · #8 by **Hnau von Thulcandra** » Mar 07, 2011 12:34 am

I'm With Stupid wrote:
Clive Durdle wrote:

Americans are hardly more religious than people living in other industrialized countries. Yet they consistently—and more or less uniquely—want others to believe they are more religious than they really are.

Which is almost as bad. Because it doesn't matter to religious authorities whether people genuinely believe or not...

Hehe. So atheists can infiltrate religious organizations, but believers don't exactly pose very often as atheists. Unless you're in Soviet Russia or something. Quite an interesting point.