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Re: Are the Asian Countries Morally Inferior to the West?

#61  Postby chairman bill » Aug 15, 2011 8:11 am

Are Asian countries morally inferior? No. Is there a preponderance of morally corrupt, authoritarian regimes in Asian countries? Yes. But India is the world's largest democracy, and there are plenty (probably a majority) of Asians who want democracy too, but suffer under what are frequently Western backed authoritarian regimes. As far as I am aware, Japan is democratic, South Korea is democratic & Aung San Suu Kyi was democratically elected to lead Burma until the military decided to not give up power to the people after all. Seems to me that people in the East are as keen on democracy as anyone, but like South America until relatively recently, is still chock full of dictators & military juntas.
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#62  Postby cavarka9 » Aug 15, 2011 8:21 am

chairman bill wrote:Are Asian countries morally inferior? No. Is there a preponderance of morally corrupt, authoritarian regimes in Asian countries? Yes. But India is the world's largest democracy, and there are plenty (probably a majority) of Asians who want democracy too, but suffer under what are frequently Western backed authoritarian regimes. As far as I am aware, Japan is democratic, South Korea is democratic & Aung San Suu Kyi was democratically elected to lead Burma until the military decided to not give up power to the people after all. Seems to me that people in the East are as keen on democracy as anyone, but like South America until relatively recently, is still chock full of dictators & military juntas.

yes, except one needs the details for why and how does something succeed or fail. People generally like freedom. Take sun yat sen whom even the present communist china respects.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yat-sen
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considered as the father of the nation of china.His three principles are nationalism, democracy, and the people's livelihood.
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Re: Are the Asian Countries Morally Inferior to the West?

#63  Postby Beatsong » Aug 15, 2011 8:34 am

NineOneFour wrote:Authoritarian people actually do have morally inferior values, no matter where they are from.


Why?
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#64  Postby Teague » Aug 15, 2011 11:47 am

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Doesn't say they are inferior, just says they reject Western standards.


Yes but you've decided to title your thread, "Are Asian Countries Morally Inferior to the West".


I would just like to point out in your rantings here and in the other thread that europe is not made up of white people, so you can stop with the nonsense of "White people are superior" BS that hasn't been said by anyone except you so when you come back from your suspension, maybe you can bear this in mind?
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#65  Postby NineOneFour » Aug 15, 2011 12:39 pm

Beatsong wrote:
NineOneFour wrote:Authoritarian people actually do have morally inferior values, no matter where they are from.


Why?

Because they are interested in suppressing others.
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#66  Postby blackarmada » Aug 15, 2011 2:22 pm

I see the crux of the article seems to be Japan refraining from criticizing and putting pressure on Burma on their dictatorial regime.

How different is it from the Europeans and Americans molly coddling the various dictators in the Middle East and South America though? Is the West so much morally superior in this regard? Or do they simply talk more about democracy and freedom on the grassroot level but are no different from the East Asian countries on the national level.

The title seems intented to spark controvsy and focuses more on Japan than the other countries in the regime
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#67  Postby cavarka9 » Aug 15, 2011 2:35 pm

blackarmada wrote:I see the crux of the article seems to be Japan refraining from criticizing and putting pressure on Burma on their dictatorial regime.

How different is it from the Europeans and Americans molly coddling the various dictators in the Middle East and South America though? Is the West so much morally superior in this regard? Or do they simply talk more about democracy and freedom on the grassroot level but are no different from the East Asian countries on the national level.

The title seems intented to spark controvsy and focuses more on Japan than the other countries in the regime


the article seems to be to get the steam of some other thread and direct the attention towards asia as some asians seems to have taken a very conservative view on the other thread.
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#68  Postby HughMcB » Aug 16, 2011 4:52 pm

This thread had been most informative for me. Up to now I had no idea that all Europeans were white, or Westerners for that matter.

I've got several first and second (some even third) generation Chinese-Canadian colleagues that I work with that are going to be fucking pissed when they find out they're whities. I don't see why it would come as a shock though, some of them even play hockey.
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#69  Postby babel » Aug 16, 2011 5:05 pm

I'm confused.
All of the western countries compared to all of the asian countries?
And are we talking about today, the recent history up till say 60 years or in the last millenium? :dunno:
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#70  Postby HughMcB » Aug 16, 2011 5:25 pm

I'm not too sure either, my Asia vs The West top trumps are a little dated now, the Brits still have HK ffs. :nono:
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#71  Postby mindhack » Aug 31, 2011 3:50 pm

NineOneFour wrote:
Beatsong wrote:
NineOneFour wrote:Authoritarian people actually do have morally inferior values, no matter where they are from.


Why?

Because they are interested in suppressing others.


Plus that authoritarian people tend to uncritically and often egocentrically submit to a higher power themselves - be it a god, a ruler or a percieved almighty law of nature - falsely justifying their urge to suppress others with it.
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Re: Are the Asian Countries Morally Inferior to the West?

#72  Postby advaitya » Sep 19, 2011 5:28 pm

Seeing how moral standards are by nature arbitrary it militates against reason how another moral standard could be deemed inferior. Western notions of morality might be dominant but by no means are they "reasoned" or ordained by some divinity.
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#73  Postby cavarka9 » Sep 19, 2011 6:11 pm

advaitya wrote:Seeing how moral standards are by nature arbitrary it militates against reason how another moral standard could be deemed inferior. Western notions of morality might be dominant but by no means are they "reasoned" or ordained by some divinity.


moral standards are arbitrary?. Are you saying that female infanticide or female feticide is better or no different than not being biased towards one sex. Or are you saying that burning women on their husbands funeral is alright?. Or are you saying that discrimination based on caste cannot be considered as being morally inferior than not doing so?.
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#74  Postby quixotecoyote » Sep 19, 2011 10:17 pm

cavarka9 wrote:
advaitya wrote:Seeing how moral standards are by nature arbitrary it militates against reason how another moral standard could be deemed inferior. Western notions of morality might be dominant but by no means are they "reasoned" or ordained by some divinity.


moral standards are arbitrary?. Are you saying that female infanticide or female feticide is better or no different than not being biased towards one sex. Or are you saying that burning women on their husbands funeral is alright?. Or are you saying that discrimination based on caste cannot be considered as being morally inferior than not doing so?.



Are you saying your values are superior and that everyone who thinks differently is barbarian scum? Are you saying that you'd be justified in imposing your morality on the lesser cultures who don't live up to the master culture's standards?

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#75  Postby advaitya » Sep 20, 2011 5:55 am

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moral standards are arbitrary?.


Yes they are.

Why don't you study some literature on morality and its nature before spouting nonsense here.
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#76  Postby cavarka9 » Sep 20, 2011 4:37 pm

quixotecoyote wrote:
cavarka9 wrote:
advaitya wrote:Seeing how moral standards are by nature arbitrary it militates against reason how another moral standard could be deemed inferior. Western notions of morality might be dominant but by no means are they "reasoned" or ordained by some divinity.


moral standards are arbitrary?. Are you saying that female infanticide or female feticide is better or no different than not being biased towards one sex. Or are you saying that burning women on their husbands funeral is alright?. Or are you saying that discrimination based on caste cannot be considered as being morally inferior than not doing so?.



Are you saying your values are superior and that everyone who thinks differently is barbarian scum? Are you saying that you'd be justified in imposing your morality on the lesser cultures who don't live up to the master culture's standards?

I love the "are you saying" game.


That would be only true if I claimed them, however if one claims morality to be arbitrary, then everything goes. I however am questioning the implications of "Moral standards being arbitrary".
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Re: Are the Asian Countries Morally Inferior to the West?

#77  Postby cavarka9 » Sep 20, 2011 4:43 pm

advaitya wrote:
cavarka9 wrote:

moral standards are arbitrary?.


Yes they are.

Why don't you study some literature on morality and its nature before spouting nonsense here.


well, exactly!. There is no imperative to study or accept any literature on anything if there were no such thing as integrity, which is not supposed to be arbitrary if your refutation could even gain the respect it deserves to be read first before it be refuted.
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#78  Postby quixotecoyote » Sep 20, 2011 8:16 pm

Well, unfortunately for you, the other people in this discussion value integrity as part of their morality, so if you place it outside of yours, you're not going to get any traction here.
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