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Criminal Recidivism not increased by harsh prison conditions

#1  Postby Keep It Real » Jun 24, 2018 11:20 am

It has long been suggested[by whom?] that corrections policies have ignored the difficulties faced by offenders who reenter society. For example, a 2011 study found that harsh prison conditions, including isolation, tended to increase recidivism, though none of these effects was statistically significant.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recidivism

I seem to recall that Norway has relatively low recidivism rates, and this was attributed to the "lovely" prison conditions. It seems more likely to me that their lower recidivism rates are due to having, at base, a relatively left leaning socialist inclusive socioeconomic climate with low inequality. Their royal family live like normal citizens, for example. They also have a low rate of first time offending. I reckon if their prisons were hell holes too they'd have even less crime and recidivism, but unfortunately their kind hearted approach permeates into their prison system resulting in a soft touch. Thoughts?
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Re: Criminal Recidivism not increased by harsh prison conditions

#2  Postby Cito di Pense » Jun 24, 2018 12:04 pm

Keep It Real wrote:
It has long been suggested[by whom?] that corrections policies have ignored the difficulties faced by offenders who reenter society. For example, a 2011 study found that harsh prison conditions, including isolation, tended to increase recidivism, though none of these effects was statistically significant.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recidivism

I seem to recall that Norway has relatively low recidivism rates, and this was attributed to the "lovely" prison conditions. It seems more likely to me that their lower recidivism rates are due to having, at base, a relatively left leaning socialist inclusive socioeconomic climate with low inequality. Their royal family live like normal citizens, for example. They also have a low rate of first time offending. I reckon if their prisons were hell holes too they'd have even less crime and recidivism, but unfortunately their kind hearted approach permeates into their prison system resulting in a soft touch. Thoughts?


I think you're not soon going to sort out the problems of criminal recidivism with thinking that only penetrates to that level. But that's okay. I wasn't expecting the problem to be solved any time soon, even with much more practiced thinking by people who are professional criminologists instead of people upgrading their resumés by reading Wikipedia.
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#3  Postby Keep It Real » Jun 24, 2018 1:28 pm

You could reply to any thread by saying "You're not a professional/highly qualified in the field so STFU", Cito. What an awesome, thriving, rich and entertaining forum that would be.

Anyway, is it a fair deduction given the wiki snipit in the OP that recidivism rates are not reduced by "luxurious" prison conditions?
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#4  Postby laklak » Jun 24, 2018 2:05 pm

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#5  Postby Cito di Pense » Jun 24, 2018 2:13 pm

Keep It Real wrote:You could reply to any thread by saying "You're not a professional/highly qualified in the field so STFU", Cito. What an awesome, thriving, rich and entertaining forum that would be.

Anyway, is it a fair deduction given the wiki snipit in the OP that recidivism rates are not reduced by "luxurious" prison conditions?


What's apparent to me is that you seem fixated on the term 'luxurious', and that's neither here nor there, AFAIAC.
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#6  Postby laklak » Jun 24, 2018 2:47 pm

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#7  Postby Macdoc » Jun 24, 2018 3:32 pm

Border patrol agents are stopping people on highways in New England to check their citizenship
By Ray Sanchez, CNN
Updated 0617 GMT (1417 HKT) June 24, 2018

On Interstate 95 near the remote northern Maine town of Lincoln this week, the Border Patrol said it made nine drug seizures and two arrests for immigration violations during an 11-hour checkpoint operation in which agents asked motorists about their place of birth and citizenship status.



https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/23/us/m ... index.html

Bus line employee tells passengers they have to be Americans to ride
By Doug Criss and Andrea Diaz, CNN

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Bus employee tells riders they must be US Citizens

Bus employee tells riders they must be US Citizens 01:07
(CNN)A bus company employee in Maine told a group of passengers they had to be US citizens in order to ride a bus after an officer from US Customs and Border Protection inquired about their citizenship.


https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/18/us/i ... index.html
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Re: Criminal Recidivism not increased by harsh prison conditions

#8  Postby Keep It Real » Jun 24, 2018 5:13 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:What's apparent to me is that you seem fixated on the term 'luxurious', and that's neither here nor there, AFAIAC.


Is the term 'harsh' here or there for you?


3 square meals a day, prepared for you. 0 finincial stress. 0 pressure to achieve anything. Loads of company, greased with a spirit of camaraderie/soldiers under fire. Games consoles. Televisions. Matresses. Duvets. Hot water. Pillows. Books. Magazines. Drugs....I'm sure I could carry on....and yes there are some down sides but these are big plusses to being inside, in the UK at least.

A neighbour of mine said to me the other day that he wished a local prison was still open so he could go back there. I asked him two days later if he still felt the same way and really meant it?! He affirmed that yes he did/does.
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#9  Postby Keep It Real » Jun 24, 2018 5:21 pm

I recommend Down and Out in Paris and London by George Orwell if anybody's got a problem with my use of the term 'luxurious' in post #3.
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#10  Postby Cito di Pense » Jun 24, 2018 5:54 pm

Keep It Real wrote:I recommend Down and Out in Paris and London by George Orwell if anybody's got a problem with my use of the term 'luxurious' in post #3.


Use any words you like. This is just another thread that's really about you and something you're unhappy about.
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#11  Postby Keep It Real » Jun 24, 2018 6:03 pm

In what way exactly is this thread about me? Oh that's right, it isn't, you're just trying to hurt me because...well...Same stuff, different hour.


ANYWAY:


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#12  Postby Keep It Real » Jun 24, 2018 6:16 pm

I mean FFS Cito you'll be saying next that the AGW thread is about Macdoc...Jesus fucking Christ get a grip man.
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#13  Postby romansh » Jun 24, 2018 7:04 pm

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrc ... ex-en.aspx

This agrees with the original proposition … harsher sentences make little difference if not a bit worse.

The question is sentences that provide criminals the tools to re-assimilate into mainstream society, do they reduce recidivism?
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#14  Postby Keep It Real » Jun 24, 2018 7:18 pm

Moreover how receptive said society is to assimilating ex-cons in such a way that they are content being free people...

ETA: by harsher I think you mean longer...
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#15  Postby romansh » Jun 24, 2018 7:20 pm

Keep It Real wrote:Moreover how receptive said society is to assimilating ex-cons in such a way that they are content being free people...

Chicken and egg.
When recidivism is reduced it might be easier for society to be accepting.
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#16  Postby Keep It Real » Jun 24, 2018 7:28 pm

A synonym for 'freedom' - 'option anxiety'
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#17  Postby Keep It Real » Jun 24, 2018 7:43 pm

Q - What's the difference between a strict monastery and a prison?
A - Prisons are available and not based on a rediculous concept.
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#18  Postby Keep It Real » Jun 24, 2018 7:51 pm

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#19  Postby Keep It Real » Jun 24, 2018 8:35 pm

Keep It Real wrote:Loads of company, greased with a spirit of camaraderie/soldiers under fire.



"Every cell is like a family.....there's a lot of love in here"


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#20  Postby Fallible » Jun 25, 2018 9:27 am

Macdoc wrote:
Border patrol agents are stopping people on highways in New England to check their citizenship
By Ray Sanchez, CNN
Updated 0617 GMT (1417 HKT) June 24, 2018

On Interstate 95 near the remote northern Maine town of Lincoln this week, the Border Patrol said it made nine drug seizures and two arrests for immigration violations during an 11-hour checkpoint operation in which agents asked motorists about their place of birth and citizenship status.



https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/23/us/m ... index.html

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Bus employee tells riders they must be US Citizens 01:07
(CNN)A bus company employee in Maine told a group of passengers they had to be US citizens in order to ride a bus after an officer from US Customs and Border Protection inquired about their citizenship.


https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/18/us/i ... index.html


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