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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#61  Postby VazScep » Feb 28, 2017 12:21 pm

I call Poe.

You've gone from self identifying as an alpha male despite the identity being the province of neo nazi shitlords to cribbing policy ideas from Richard Spencer.

Please please please fuck off.
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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#62  Postby Alan B » Feb 28, 2017 12:46 pm

Define 'racist'.
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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#63  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 28, 2017 3:42 pm

I just traveled from Cheltenham to Cirencester after being picked up by my mother. I told her all about this thread and her views have made me think twice. She basically said that yes, people generally prefer to be around their own kind, but that we need to fight against that impulse and try to see everybody as basically the same regardless. I'm not sure I like the idea of a world where ethnic differences dictate policy/citizenship rules. Deviding up the planet along ethnic lines seems if anything even more divisive. I need to think on it a bit more but it looks like I'm going to back down and just encourage inter-ethnic socialisation, against our impulses to stick with our own kind, in the name of planetary harmony. Need to think on...
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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#64  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 28, 2017 3:58 pm

VazScep wrote:
Please please please fuck off.


When did that ever solve anything. If you disagree with a view convince your interlocutor otherwise. Otherwise misapprehensions persist.
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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#65  Postby tuco » Feb 28, 2017 5:15 pm

I can tell you that precisely. On Aug 18 2015. 7 thumbs up when "Any comments on this modnote or moderation should not be made in the thread as they will be considered off topic."
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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#66  Postby tuco » Feb 28, 2017 5:23 pm

Keep It Real wrote:
Macdoc wrote:Why do you assume assimilation is a worthy goal?


I think it's generally an impossible goal in the uk for different races and non-native whites, as evinced by the fact they don't integrate well in general. I think we should give up on multiculturalism, prevent further ethnically disparate immigration and encourage other races and ethnicities to move to the places where they fit in (ie. other countries). Some should remain, ideally, imo, but there are far too many and there are more and more every day.


Give up on multiculturalism .. how?

Give up on the idea that people of different colour (its "race" btw .. after all the years here get it right, tx), nationality, faith, language (what else?) will and ought to mix in the so-called melting pot and will live happily every after? Well, too early to tell and to be honest I kind of like diversity.

We've had several threads on how multikulti failed. All of them without proper definitions to begin with. How about we just live and let live and this multikulti will happen or not. But but .. yeah, I am all ears.
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#67  Postby VazScep » Feb 28, 2017 5:41 pm

Keep It Real wrote:I just traveled from Cheltenham to Cirencester after being picked up by my mother. I told her all about this thread and her views have made me think twice. She basically said that yes, people generally prefer to be around their own kind, but that we need to fight against that impulse and try to see everybody as basically the same regardless. I'm not sure I like the idea of a world where ethnic differences dictate policy/citizenship rules. Deviding up the planet along ethnic lines seems if anything even more divisive. I need to think on it a bit more but it looks like I'm going to back down and just encourage inter-ethnic socialisation, against our impulses to stick with our own kind, in the name of planetary harmony. Need to think on...
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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#68  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 28, 2017 5:58 pm

What the hell's that supposed to mean?
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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#69  Postby Macdoc » Feb 28, 2017 6:13 pm

Keep It Real wrote:
Macdoc wrote:
Why do you assume assimilation is a worthy goal?


I think it's generally an impossible goal in the uk for different races and non-native whites, as evinced by the fact they don't integrate well in general. I think we should give up on multiculturalism, prevent further ethnically disparate immigration and encourage other races and ethnicities to move to the places where they fit in (ie. other countries). Some should remain, ideally, imo, but there are far too many and there are more and more every day.


There are no words and yes you have defined yourself as a bigot and are wrong
.....you are ALL fucking immigrants ....get over it....get along, enjoy and embrace diversity :nono:

Why the fuck do you think "integration" is needed ??? You like bland food or something??? Immigrants bring diversity, new energy, new ideas to stale mono-cultures.

You think Indian emigrants didn't enrich the UK over the two hundred years ???

British Indians are barely 2 per cent of the population, but 12 per cent of all doctors"


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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#70  Postby monkeyboy » Feb 28, 2017 8:23 pm

Macdoc wrote:
.....you are ALL fucking immigrants ....get over it....get along, enjoy and embrace diversity :nono:

Why the fuck do you think "integration" is needed ??? You like bland food or something??? Immigrants bring diversity, new energy, new ideas to stale mono-cultures.

You think Indian emigrants didn't enrich the UK over the two hundred years ???

British Indians are barely 2 per cent of the population, but 12 per cent of all doctors"


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You're right. We are all fucking immigrants. Far as we can trace my lineage back, I've got Danish, French, 4 German lines, Russian and Irish via USA, Irish, Scottish and Flemish. Makes me as English as the next English person.
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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#71  Postby tuco » Feb 28, 2017 8:30 pm

Yeah, but now we got nation states, imaginary lines in dirt and not so imaginary right to defend our .. values.

You think Indian emigrants didn't enrich the UK over the two hundred years ???


This is the root of the problem right here. How do you measure it and what-if they did not? What the fuck does it matter. It matters because I can count to 10. gj bro! Did you know that Border collie has about the same IQ as 2.5 year old? That's cool.

But but people do not want to have their values, culture, overpowered but something/someone else and its reasonable to require benefit and .. sure, how about you?
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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#72  Postby VazScep » Feb 28, 2017 9:23 pm

The Border Collie I walk is a total fucking idiot. And she's from working stock.

She doesn't understand that when she drops the ball on a hill, it will roll down the hill. And she doesn't even understand the most basic principles of ball throwing. She just assumes that when I throw the ball, she should run in a random direction, and it will somehow materialise in front of her.

I've tried going through the derivations of projectile motion with her, but it never sticks.
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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#73  Postby tuco » Feb 28, 2017 9:27 pm

Like owner, like dog :P

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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#74  Postby Fallible » Mar 01, 2017 8:12 am

monkeyboy wrote:
Macdoc wrote:
.....you are ALL fucking immigrants ....get over it....get along, enjoy and embrace diversity :nono:

Why the fuck do you think "integration" is needed ??? You like bland food or something??? Immigrants bring diversity, new energy, new ideas to stale mono-cultures.

You think Indian emigrants didn't enrich the UK over the two hundred years ???

British Indians are barely 2 per cent of the population, but 12 per cent of all doctors"


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You're right. We are all fucking immigrants. Far as we can trace my lineage back, I've got Danish, French, 4 German lines, Russian and Irish via USA, Irish, Scottish and Flemish. Makes me as English as the next English person.
There's only a couple of villages in Norfolk and one near Taunton (they know who they are) could claim a tangled enough family tree bush to claim no external DNA has adulterated their ever weakening strains. The rest of us are as pure indigenous populations to our current turf as the majority of Merkins are, documented or not.


Well, perhaps a fair few generations further back than the Merkins in some cases, but still immigrants, yes. My family are Celts of different varieties on one branch for as far as the eye can see, so there's a chance they've been here for a few thousand years, I suppose. I doubt I get out of this without those pesky Danes, Romans and Normans having some say though, at the very least. No doubt there's all sorts I don't even know about because documentation doesn't go back that far.

That's the problem when you start thinking in terms of 'in my own country'. 'Country' is a human concept, and is completely arbitrary. When does a land become one's 'own country'? Even the First Nations people came from somewhere. Maybe we can't call anything but the continent which is now Africa 'my own country', but then what purpose would it serve? It would be the same for everyone, and everyone would have the same claim to it. Ohhh, yes, of course. We actually say 'I can't even do such-and-such in my own country' as a way of expressing how hard it is for us to deal with difference. Well. Boo hoo! I wonder how the Spanish feel about all the Brits prancing around over there in their pubs and chip shops, 'No, I no parlo Spagnol, Diego, just the Queen's English hahahahaha!', even though they've been there 20 fucking years. /rant.
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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#75  Postby Keep It Real » Mar 01, 2017 9:22 am

Keep It Real wrote:I just traveled from Cheltenham to Cirencester after being picked up by my mother. I told her all about this thread and her views have made me think twice. She basically said that yes, people generally prefer to be around their own kind, but that we need to fight against that impulse and try to see everybody as basically the same regardless. I'm not sure I like the idea of a world where ethnic differences dictate policy/citizenship rules. Deviding up the planet along ethnic lines seems if anything even more divisive. I need to think on it a bit more but it looks like I'm going to back down and just encourage inter-ethnic socialisation, against our impulses to stick with our own kind, in the name of planetary harmony. Need to think on...



Yep, still feel the same way today - don't want ethnically majority "pure" nations. I reckon most people feel more comfortable around their own ethnicity, but we must fight against that and try to get along equally well with our ethnically diverse neighbours. There's nothing else for it - I'll have to move to Chinatown and show them we're not all "white devils" and that they don't have to ghettoise themselves as it fosters "us and them" mentality. I also take issue with the phrases "the black community" and "the gay community" because they presuppose and validate segregation. There's only one type of community and that's (should be) the optional variety. So anyway, to reiterate, I don't want a reduction in immigration anymore, and I don't want to encourage the ethnic minorities to leave. We just need to try and get along better.
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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#76  Postby I'm With Stupid » Mar 01, 2017 11:10 am

People like to hang out with people who speak the same language as them. That's hardly a revelation. It's one thing to have enough language to get by or even do a job in a language. It's quite another to have the level of fluency to make deep and meaningful friendships.
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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#77  Postby Alan B » Mar 01, 2017 12:41 pm

I remember going to Waikiki beach in the '50s. There was a British style pub nearby populated by Brits. I don't know if it is still there.
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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#78  Postby Sendraks » Mar 01, 2017 12:45 pm

I'm With Stupid wrote:People like to hang out with people who speak the same language as them. That's hardly a revelation. It's one thing to have enough language to get by or even do a job in a language. It's quite another to have the level of fluency to make deep and meaningful friendships.


People also like to hang out with people who have similar interests, which may or may not mean that the people share certain cultural or social similarities.

It's like humans are social animals that cluster together in ways that make them happiest and most comfortable.
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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#79  Postby VazScep » Mar 01, 2017 1:54 pm

Keep It Real wrote:Yep, still feel the same way today - don't want ethnically majority "pure" nations. I reckon most people feel more comfortable around their own ethnicity, but we must fight against that and try to get along equally well with our ethnically diverse neighbours. There's nothing else for it - I'll have to move to Chinatown and show them we're not all "white devils" and that they don't have to ghettoise themselves as it fosters "us and them" mentality. I also take issue with the phrases "the black community" and "the gay community" because they presuppose and validate segregation. There's only one type of community and that's (should be) the optional variety. So anyway, to reiterate, I don't want a reduction in immigration anymore, and I don't want to encourage the ethnic minorities to leave. We just need to try and get along better.
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Re: Do you think non-white ethnicities integrate well in UK?

#80  Postby Mazille » Mar 01, 2017 4:02 pm

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