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Obese lose up to eight years of life

#1  Postby Scot Dutchy » Dec 06, 2014 2:31 pm

Obese lose up to eight years of life


Being severely obese can knock up to eight years off your life and cause decades of ill health, a report says.

The analysis showed being obese at a young age was more damaging to health and life expectancy.

The team, at McGill University in Canada, said heart problems and type 2 diabetes were major sources of disability and death.

Experts said people were frequently "ignorant" of the consequences of obesity.

The health problems caused by obesity are well known.

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#2  Postby jaydot » Jan 06, 2015 9:23 pm

fuck me! robert morley would have lived to be 91 if he'd had a care.
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#3  Postby Keep It Real » Jan 06, 2015 9:36 pm

The important thing is to live for as long as possible. Everybody knows that.
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#4  Postby Emmeline » Jan 06, 2015 9:45 pm

It's the "decades of ill health" that pisses me off because they're a massive drain on the NHS and welfare budget. Sometimes I feel like I've worked hard all my life just to see my taxes supporting idle, feckless parasites. Apologies if I sound like a Daily Mail reader but you don't have to be one to feel angry about pathetic, self-indulgent scroungers when there aren't enough hospital beds or support systems for everyone else.

I'm not talking about those who become obese due to disability or medication. I mean the ones who've "eaten all the pies" and not exercised.
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#5  Postby Keep It Real » Jan 06, 2015 10:06 pm

Nobody wants to be obese. You can't blame people for the information they may/may not have received. And yes - you do sound like a daily mail reader - and not for the first time. Pity the obese.
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#6  Postby The_Metatron » Jan 06, 2015 10:08 pm

Keep It Real wrote:The important thing is to live for as long as possible. Everybody knows that.

I'd modify that and say that it is important to live, and live well, until you die.
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#7  Postby Keep It Real » Jan 06, 2015 10:57 pm

Yes; and with the modification there is the removal of all sarcasm, and a burgeoning truth presents. I don't care if you don't like my new avatar lolz
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#8  Postby Darwinsbulldog » Jan 07, 2015 12:19 am

Emmeline wrote:It's the "decades of ill health" that pisses me off because they're a massive drain on the NHS and welfare budget. Sometimes I feel like I've worked hard all my life just to see my taxes supporting idle, feckless parasites. Apologies if I sound like a Daily Mail reader but you don't have to be one to feel angry about pathetic, self-indulgent scroungers when there aren't enough hospital beds or support systems for everyone else.

I'm not talking about those who become obese due to disability or medication. I mean the ones who've "eaten all the pies" and not exercised.

Blaming the victims, Emmeline?? The truth is that we are all at fault. We settle for mediocre leaders, because we are afraid of charismatic or bold leaders. We have allowed the big end of town to control the election dialog, reducing the political debates about which party are the "best economic leaders". The "externalities" of capitalist business are ignored: the social and environmental costs, so we have nations full of fatties.
Unless or until non-profit values are brought into the market, and a built-in consideration of the REAL costs of goods and services, then everything will not stay the same, it will get worse.
Thus a MacDonalds burger is not $2, it may actually be costed at -say-$20 each, once the health effects are thrown in. In Australia, an attempt to introduce a carbon tax ended up in electoral defeat for Labor, because the big end of town runs extremely well funded scare campaigns.
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The problem is a lot more serious than the serious health issues in the population, including child obesity. Much bigger. Humans have lost their franchise to govern themselves. Government has drifted from Cabinet room to the Boardroom.
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#9  Postby Fallible » Jan 07, 2015 12:23 am

Emmeline wrote:It's the "decades of ill health" that pisses me off because they're a massive drain on the NHS and welfare budget. Sometimes I feel like I've worked hard all my life just to see my taxes supporting idle, feckless parasites. Apologies if I sound like a Daily Mail reader but you don't have to be one to feel angry about pathetic, self-indulgent scroungers when there aren't enough hospital beds or support systems for everyone else.

I'm not talking about those who become obese due to disability or medication. I mean the ones who've "eaten all the pies" and not exercised.


I'm a bit surprised to read this from you to be completely honest. I expected more compassion, and some understanding that even if obesity is a result of eating all the pies, there is often a reason that the pies get eaten which goes beyond 'they're just lazy slobs', which involves mental health issues. Did Katie Hopkins hack your account?
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#10  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Jan 07, 2015 2:52 am

Even if fat people are making the conscious decision to abuse their bodies and burden society with healthcare costs, the only reason they get so much flack for it is because their "vice" is a visible one and people generally don't like looking at fat people.

Nobody talks about competitive skiers who injure themselves horribly and spend decades of their lives costing public healthcare systems exorbitant amounts of money that they wouldn't have had they just played less extreme sports being burdens on society. People who waste energy and pollute and will cost their kids huge amounts of money through the damage they're doing to the planet don't get treated anywhere nearly as badly as fat people do either despite the fact they're doing the same damn thing that's used as an excuse for ripping on fat people: burdening society.

Most of us burden society in some manner. The fact the ill health and associated costs is visible when a person is fat doesn't absolve the rest of us of the activities we engage in that end up costing society a lot of money.
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#11  Postby Weaver » Jan 07, 2015 2:56 am

Emmeline wrote:It's the "decades of ill health" that pisses me off because they're a massive drain on the NHS and welfare budget. Sometimes I feel like I've worked hard all my life just to see my taxes supporting idle, feckless parasites. Apologies if I sound like a Daily Mail reader but you don't have to be one to feel angry about pathetic, self-indulgent scroungers when there aren't enough hospital beds or support systems for everyone else.

I'm not talking about those who become obese due to disability or medication. I mean the ones who've "eaten all the pies" and not exercised.

One of my mentors had a great observation about people who made a series of bad choices throughout their lives and ended up in less than ideal health as a result - that none of them made these decisions all at once with ill health as a desired or planned end state. The bad decisions were made across a period of years to decades, with little immediate consequence to demonstrate instantly that bad decisions were taken (as would happen, for example, if someone jumped off of a roof) - they cannot really be held to blame for "bad decisions" because the end state was the result; that end state was never a planned result. And while it's wonderful to say everyone should make good decisions all the time and pay consequences for bad ones - who really thinks that they carefully thought through all their decisions in their teens and twenties when habits were formed?
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#12  Postby jamest » Jan 07, 2015 3:03 am

The_Metatron wrote:
Keep It Real wrote:The important thing is to live for as long as possible. Everybody knows that.

I'd modify that and say that it is important to live, and live well, until you die.

Living 'well'. Finally, someone injects some objectivity into the discussion. :dopey:
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#13  Postby Onyx8 » Jan 07, 2015 3:04 am

I actually often comment (irl) on these extreme sports folks/athletes and others who go about hurting themselves and then expect society to pick up the tab.

Not that I disagree with your comment Rachel.
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#14  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Jan 07, 2015 3:15 am

Well, good for you!

My mom's actually one of those shit disturbers in the Vancouver health authorities as she advocates higher health care costs for people needlessly abusing their bodies. It took yeeeeeeeears to get permission to start snowboarding as a kid and she still gets upset with me when I complain about sports injuries.

I'm certainly not in favour of making someone who breaks their back snowmobiling cover their own healthcare costs for the rest of their life or die prematurely. That's not even possible when you're paralysed. No one deserves that, regardless if they brought the injury upon themselves. You can't write off someone's choice to do backflips on snowy hills as mental illness though. I just think what they contribute to public healthcare should be greater than what others do.
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#15  Postby Onyx8 » Jan 07, 2015 3:25 am

Agreed, could it affect the insurance premiums though, w/o heading down some slippery slope?
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#16  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Jan 07, 2015 3:42 am

That's my concern. Imagine people having to prove that they didn't cause their own heart attack so they don't have to pay higher taxes.
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#17  Postby laklak » Jan 07, 2015 3:44 am

Already does here. They'll load your premium based on what you do in your free time. Scuba diving, skydiving, rock climbing, driving race cars, flying a small aircraft, all those will increase your cost. Your habits cost you, too. You'll pay a lot more if you're a smoker, for example, and your BMI is part of the premium calculation.

I don't know why this would be unacceptable, the same thing happens with every other form of insurance. A Ferrari costs a shitload more to insure than a Sentra, a big home costs more to insure than a small flat. It's considered perfectly normal to charge someone more for health insurance if they're older, so why not if they're overweight or engage in a risky hobby?
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#18  Postby Onyx8 » Jan 07, 2015 3:48 am

When my business became a limited company and I went into partnership with some other folks I had to get a physical for the insurance; all of those questions were asked of me. Do you smoke? What? How much? Do you drink? How much? Do you have any convictions? For what? Do you drive? What? Do you have any points on your license? For what? and on and on.
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#19  Postby laklak » Jan 07, 2015 3:54 am

Coming up with those questions is what actuaries get paid for. Paid damn well, too.
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#20  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jan 07, 2015 6:59 am

laklak wrote:Already does here. They'll load your premium based on what you do in your free time. Scuba diving, skydiving, rock climbing, driving race cars, flying a small aircraft, all those will increase your cost. Your habits cost you, too. You'll pay a lot more if you're a smoker, for example, and your BMI is part of the premium calculation.

I don't know why this would be unacceptable, the same thing happens with every other form of insurance. A Ferrari costs a shitload more to insure than a Sentra, a big home costs more to insure than a small flat. It's considered perfectly normal to charge someone more for health insurance if they're older, so why not if they're overweight or engage in a risky hobby?


I agree that life style should be part of formula for calculating insurance costs. If somebody wants to be a dare devil that's up him/her but their insurance should reflect it. The same if somebody weighs 200 kg. and thinks it is normal that should be also reflected in the insurance costs.
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