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#81  Postby Lazar » Jul 16, 2011 7:43 pm

I would suggest starting with a specific area. I like educational and social mobility so my suggestion for reading is:

1. Bowen et al's (2010) Crossing the finish line: Finishing college in American public universities.
2. Gambetta (1989) Did they jump or were they pushed? Individual descision mechanisms in education.
3. Tinto (1994) Leaving College: Rethinking the Causes and Cures of Student Attrition.
4 Laraue (2003) Unequal Childhoods: Class, Race, and Family Life (not quat science but nice for contextualisation).

All this are approachable not bad science and suggest ways of attacking the problem of educational mobility. (I can give suggestions for peer reviewed article as well if needed)
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#82  Postby THWOTH » Jul 16, 2011 10:28 pm

Thanks for the suggestions <L> :thumbup:

However, my particular knowledge in this area is not really the issue.
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#83  Postby Clive Durdle » Jul 16, 2011 11:44 pm

I think this is the point I made earlier. The 'academic boundaries' Sociology works within limits its influence and its ability to act for the betterment of society. I don't think I'm using a narrow definition of sociology particularly. I am trying to make a case that the socio-political be at the centre of Sociology because the political realm is running on belief and not evidence. If Sociology cannot have an impact in the area of public policy then, as I've said, I think one can claim with some assurance that it is mostly useless - interesting I'll grant you, but mostly useless nonetheless.



I do not recognise your picture of sociology. The socio political is at the centre of sociology! There have been recent statistical works on equality that are based on sociological understandings.

Is this a cultural thing?
The Spirit Level: Why More Equal Societies Almost Always Do Better

The Spirit Level: Why More Equal Societies Almost Always Do Better
Author(s) Richard Wilkinson, Kate Pickett
Subject(s) Socio-economics
Publisher Allen Lane
Publication date 5 March 2009
ISBN 978-0141032368

The Spirit Level: Why More Equal Societies Almost Always Do Better[1] is a book by Richard G. Wilkinson and Kate Pickett,[2] published in 2009. The book is published in the US by Bloomsbury Press (December, 2009) with the new sub-title: "why greater equality makes societies stronger".[3] It was then published in a paperback second edition(UK) in November 2010 with the subtitle, “Why Equality is Better for Everyone”.[4]

The book argues that there are "pernicious effects that inequality has on societies: eroding trust, increasing anxiety and illness, (and) encouraging excessive consumption".[5] It claims that for each of eleven different health and social problems: physical health, mental health, drug abuse, education, imprisonment, obesity, social mobility, trust and community life, violence, teenage pregnancies, and child well-being, outcomes are significantly worse in more unequal rich countries.[1] The book contains graphs that are available online.[6]

In 2010 the authors published responses to questions about their analysis on the Equality Trust website.[7] As of December 2010, the book had sold more than 100,000 copies.[8]
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#84  Postby Spearthrower » Jul 30, 2011 7:49 am

The thread seems to have died, but I had this in mind for quite some time while reading:

Galilei wrote:Measure what is measurable, and make measurable what is not so.
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#85  Postby THWOTH » Jul 31, 2011 10:53 am

Spearthrower wrote:The thread seems to have died, but I had this in mind for quite some time while reading:

Galilei wrote:Measure what is measurable, and make measurable what is not so.

Nice quote that.

I must admit I lost heart up when The Spirit Level was dragged up. as it's an apt example of the putting aside of evidenced-based thinking in public policy in favour of a more dogmatic, dare I say ideological approach. The irony being that in the UK the work was used to justify policy which directly contradicted its conclusions. :doh:
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