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Keep It Real wrote:10 years? 50 years? Never?
Economic activity is bad for the environment - so much of it is unnecessary (and unpleasant) already (eg. aggressive sales in all industries). I look forward to the day when people can be unemployed without stigma. A post scarcity economy (barring things like yachts and gold plated lamas) already exists in most developed economies - isn't it time to just give all citizens a guaranteed income, free from stigma? I know the green party in the UK have that in their manifesto but they're only a minor player in the UK political scene - any calls from major parties to put an end to unemployment stigma?
igorfrankensteen wrote:An obvious example, which has been around forever, is raising children. Our "modern" economies assume that this is always to be an unpaid position, and that causes all sorts of follow on problems. There's plenty more similar work that needs doing, which again, our economies have declared must always be done without remuneration.
Keep It Real wrote:... isn't it time to just give all citizens a guaranteed income, free from stigma?
Arnold Layne wrote:igorfrankensteen wrote:An obvious example, which has been around forever, is raising children. Our "modern" economies assume that this is always to be an unpaid position, and that causes all sorts of follow on problems. There's plenty more similar work that needs doing, which again, our economies have declared must always be done without remuneration.
Don't people get child allowance, or doesn't that count?
Fallible wrote:Arnold Layne wrote:igorfrankensteen wrote:An obvious example, which has been around forever, is raising children. Our "modern" economies assume that this is always to be an unpaid position, and that causes all sorts of follow on problems. There's plenty more similar work that needs doing, which again, our economies have declared must always be done without remuneration.
Don't people get child allowance, or doesn't that count?
They do, but I'm not sure how many people would find £80 a month for a 24 hour job an acceptable rate of pay.
Fallible wrote:You get less if you're working if you earn over a certain amount. To be honest I don't really know how it works either, but I don't think even those on the most allowance get what would equal a living wage out of it.
Keep It Real wrote:10 years? 50 years? Never?
Economic activity is bad for the environment - so much of it is unnecessary (and unpleasant) already (eg. aggressive sales in all industries). I look forward to the day when people can be unemployed without stigma. A post scarcity economy (barring things like yachts and gold plated lamas) already exists in most developed economies - isn't it time to just give all citizens a guaranteed income, free from stigma? I know the green party in the UK have that in their manifesto but they're only a minor player in the UK political scene - any calls from major parties to put an end to unemployment stigma?
Fallible wrote:Maybe, I think your aspirations would have to be pretty low to see that as a career choice. Just thinking of some of the council estates I lived on as a kid, and my main aim was to get away from them as quickly as possible. I'm still not sure you'd get all that much money, unless you had like a house full of kids. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I don't think I'd apply for that post if it was advertised.
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