trubble76 wrote:Dammit, I accidentally wandered back to this thread, now I've got an hour of work left, and all I can think about is boobs. Nasty, sinful, firm, yummy boobs *drools*

So you are hoping for a special Russ Meyer movie festival?

I could never be a woman, 'cause I'd just stay home and play with my breasts all day.

(Steve Martin in L.A. Story)

If you are confused at the fact that we handle things that are different in different ways - which sort of explains tinigs, then get back to another difference bewteen men and women and se how differently we treat them. Genitals. 'Puppetry of the penis' was a great hit as men parodied their genitals to rave reviews in an an entirely acceptable way in mainstream theatre. In short it was a funny and clever show. Women were treated to the 'vagina monologues', again a hit show about womens genitals, but entirely verbal with no actual visuals. Do you think it would have been possible, and funny and mainstream to have had the 'penis monologues', or 'puppetry of the vagina' and be seen in the same way?

The reality is that there are many shows that use womens vaginas visually with and as all sorts of props. Ping pong balls, razor blades, cigarettes, and probably without exception these shows are pornographic, seedy and degrading for the viewer and practitioner. I would go so far as to say that womens genitals are never an object of funniness, certainly not in the way it can be with male genitals, they are either seen as something lustful or distasteful, while mens genitals can be threatening (as with flashers) or just funny. The exposure of womens genitals is very rarely a threat display as it i with the penis, even though it is a mechanism of power and manipulation betwen women and over men.

Apply the same reasoning to our breasts. You appear to be looking for something intrinsic in the organ, that is somehow separable from our confusing moral codes. There are certainly intrinsic differences between the breasts and genitals of the genders, but it is on this basis that our attitudes and moral behavior are derived.

TMB wrote:If you are confused at the fact that we handle things that are different in different ways - which sort of explains tinigs, then get back to another difference bewteen men and women and se how differently we treat them. Genitals. 'Puppetry of the penis' was a great hit as men parodied their genitals to rave reviews in an an entirely acceptable way in mainstream theatre. In short it was a funny and clever show. Women were treated to the 'vagina monologues', again a hit show about womens genitals, but entirely verbal with no actual visuals. Do you think it would have been possible, and funny and mainstream to have had the 'penis monologues', or 'puppetry of the vagina' and be seen in the same way?

I'd actually say this is a gender difference, but not in the way you are presenting it. Penises kind of lend themselves to that thing. Vaginas... don't. They lack, how shall we put this... quite the same range of mobility

GreyICE wrote:

TMB wrote:If you are confused at the fact that we handle things that are different in different ways - which sort of explains tinigs, then get back to another difference bewteen men and women and se how differently we treat them. Genitals. 'Puppetry of the penis' was a great hit as men parodied their genitals to rave reviews in an an entirely acceptable way in mainstream theatre. In short it was a funny and clever show. Women were treated to the 'vagina monologues', again a hit show about womens genitals, but entirely verbal with no actual visuals. Do you think it would have been possible, and funny and mainstream to have had the 'penis monologues', or 'puppetry of the vagina' and be seen in the same way?

I'd actually say this is a gender difference, but not in the way you are presenting it. Penises kind of lend themselves to that thing. Vaginas... don't. They lack, how shall we put this... quite the same range of mobility

Certainly there are differences in the function between swords and scabbards, but you are suggesting that the lack of capability in a vagina is responsible for the way they are showcased, not social pressures - so what evidence can you offer to support this?

Based upon what you propose, there should be no attraction or demand for these shows that are so prevalent in a place like Thailand - where vaginas can show remarkable dexterity. Pens can be grasped and legible handwriting done, smoking (with inhalation), blow darts to hit balloon targets, bananas shot several feet into the air, bottletops removed, all things I would imagine quite hard to do with a penis. A penis certainly offers some toy like scenarios, and most men are well practiced in their use, but that does not seem to explain why there is such a different social perception. I have never seen anyone laugh at images of vaginas, but I have often seen laughter at penis images. I have also seen more lustful reaction, or distastes at vaginas, but never fear. I have seen fear at penis images, as well as horror and distaste and sometimes lust, but always plenty of laughter. Vaginas are just not that visually funny.