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Re: Sustainable house planning

#41  Postby OlivierK » Jan 16, 2017 8:45 pm

tuco wrote:I guess you need something like this:

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just move it further ;)

:lol: I know where that house is, and I wouldn't think it's at any less spider risk than mine. ;)

90%+ of our spiders are daddy-long-legs, but there are enough larger spiders around here to squick out those who aren't used to them. In particular, huntsman spiders (which are pretty harmless) freak non-spider people out with their size. We don't get that many inside (they're very shy of people generally), but when they do they tend to stick around for a while (to the point where our kids give them names, usually Fred or Alice, unless they're missing a leg - those are always called Septimus).
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Re: Sustainable house planning

#42  Postby tuco » Jan 16, 2017 8:52 pm

Spetimus lol sounds wonderful. Yeah all-in-all .. it would be more sensible to get a therapy than reject Australia.
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Re: Sustainable house planning

#43  Postby Macdoc » Jan 17, 2017 3:30 am

Hehe Scot got chased home with his tail between his legs after booking the tropics in the wet....still sore about it.

There is enough hectares in Australia to provide EVERYONE in Europe with one to build on and still have 350 million to spare. :mrgreen:

Not everyone wants to live in an anthill. I've grown to detest Toronto for it's traffic and congestion. I have to laugh at the urban types....scared of some little critters but blithely playing in traffic. :roll:

I was inside an enormous curtain fig and looked up to see this fine fellow

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We are narrowing down our land choice and may end very close to the area this was shot. Of course our current house has been planted so he backyard does a pretty good imitation.

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New technologies and wide spread communications obviates the need for huddling in tight smelly cities. Self driving EVs and off grid designs truly let us disperse

Here ya go - three hours of the Australian forest....to soothe the frazzled city nerves.



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Re: Sustainable house planning

#44  Postby Nicko » Jan 17, 2017 7:52 am

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Scot Dutchy wrote:This thread is like talking about luxury cars. Sustainable housing is only important in highly dense occupied areas not the outback of some god forsaken back woods. If we all had a hectare to build house land would be in very short supply.

Yes, sustainable housing is important in dense urban contexts. To leap from that to saying that it's unimportant in a rural context makes no sense. If I'd built my house without the shading structures that keep it cool, I'd need air conditioning, and my power comes from the same grid I'd use in a city. More land area actually gives you far more scope for unsustainable practices, especially in terms of overbuilding for your needs, than a smaller plot, and so it's necessary to be more mindful of sustainable design where its not forced on you to a degree by site constraints.


Exactly, which is why I brought up the permaculture idea. The block is a little small to go completely self-sufficent, but growing at least some of your own food should offset increased travel distances.
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Re: Sustainable house planning

#45  Postby Macdoc » Jan 17, 2017 9:26 am

More land area actually gives you far more scope for unsustainable practices, especially in terms of overbuilding for your needs


that is not a given ....if a place is off the grid and running an EV who cares how big it is.
It's like me being told to cut down on electricity use in Ontario....why??? it's my money and since we have no fossil fuel plants how is my "cutting" down helping at all. If anything my high use is subsidizing the less well off.

Sustainable does not and should not mean shivering in the dark with a pile of twigs for fuel.
If we work towards it....we can have all the self indulgent conveniences and extra space without impacting the environment.

With travel distances....IF you have an EV ...and the Bolt has a 200 mile range ...why do you care unless your grid is coal powered ( unfortunately much of Aus is ).
But conflating generous even indulgent use with unsustainable is an error.

It's like having a field of ripe strawberries and limiting yourself to a couple... there are times when being indulgent does no harm at all and in fact may fire you up to do good deeds. :coffee: ...like hosting some back packers in your spare room for cheap or free.
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Re: Sustainable house planning

#46  Postby Made of Stars » Jan 17, 2017 11:24 am

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Mac, what are the brown areas where you're looking at building? Is water pooling there?
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#47  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jan 17, 2017 2:37 pm

Macdoc wrote:Hehe Scot got chased home with his tail between his legs after booking the tropics in the wet....still sore about it.


WTF are you on about? I have been to that forsaken hole called Queensland. It did not rain a single day. Nobody chased me home. It was the most boring place I have ever been to. Even Mexico was an improvement. I cut a proposed three months to four weeks because there was fuck all to do. I enjoy civilisation not devastation.

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Re: Sustainable house planning

#48  Postby Nicko » Jan 17, 2017 4:03 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:Talking about building a house in the middle of nowhere is the last thing I would ever do.


This is a thread about Macdoc's desire to build a house "in the middle of nowhere".

You're posting in it.
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Re: Sustainable house planning

#49  Postby Sendraks » Jan 17, 2017 4:30 pm

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Re: Sustainable house planning

#50  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jan 17, 2017 4:48 pm

Nicko wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:Talking about building a house in the middle of nowhere is the last thing I would ever do.


This is a thread about Macdoc's desire to build a house "in the middle of nowhere".

You're posting in it.


Well it is not the thread title; Sustainable house planning.
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#51  Postby felltoearth » Jan 17, 2017 5:04 pm

There's this little thing called the OP.
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Re: Sustainable house planning

#52  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jan 17, 2017 5:05 pm

Wrong title then?
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#53  Postby felltoearth » Jan 17, 2017 5:06 pm

Nicko wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:Talking about building a house in the middle of nowhere is the last thing I would ever do.


This is a thread about Macdoc's desire to build a house "in the middle of nowhere".

You're posting in it.


I'm pretty sure we could arrange a kickstarter for Scot's house in the middle of nowhere.
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Re: Sustainable house planning

#54  Postby OlivierK » Jan 17, 2017 5:10 pm

Macdoc wrote:
More land area actually gives you far more scope for unsustainable practices, especially in terms of overbuilding for your needs


that is not a given ....if a place is off the grid and running an EV who cares how big it is.
It's like me being told to cut down on electricity use in Ontario....why??? it's my money and since we have no fossil fuel plants how is my "cutting" down helping at all. If anything my high use is subsidizing the less well off.

Sustainable does not and should not mean shivering in the dark with a pile of twigs for fuel.
If we work towards it....we can have all the self indulgent conveniences and extra space without impacting the environment.

With travel distances....IF you have an EV ...and the Bolt has a 200 mile range ...why do you care unless your grid is coal powered ( unfortunately much of Aus is ).
But conflating generous even indulgent use with unsustainable is an error.

It's like having a field of ripe strawberries and limiting yourself to a couple... there are times when being indulgent does no harm at all and in fact may fire you up to do good deeds. :coffee: ...like hosting some back packers in your spare room for cheap or free.

Yes, as I said:
OlivierK wrote:More land area actually gives you far more scope for unsustainable practices, especially in terms of overbuilding for your needs, than a smaller plot, and so it's necessary to be more mindful of sustainable design where its not forced on you to a degree by site constraints.

It's important to be mindful of sustainable principles if you have the potential, given a large area, to produce a very unsustainable result. Nothing in that implies that that large land area guarantees an unsustainable result, and the part of of my quote that you chopped out actually implies the opposite.

We're on bigger land than yours, and yet we feel we've done pretty well at limiting our impacts (100% renewable energy, building using a large percentage of recycled building products, highly fuel efficient cars, grow at least some of our own food, and buy local produce as much as possible for the rest), so I'm the last person who'd be lecturing you that large land = bad.

The worst thing we've done impacts-wise is have three kids, but we kinda like them, and put that down to indulgence. Even so, they've been brought up to tread lightly, and they've learnt by the example of not only ourselves, but our entire community, which has the highest recycling rates and one of the highest percentages of off-gridders and renewable energy use in the state, and likely the nation.
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Re: Sustainable house planning

#55  Postby Macdoc » Jan 18, 2017 6:17 am

It's unfortunate that Australia is almost all or nothing...go off grid entirely as nearly all grid has some coal power tho it's being slowly trimmed back in our area.

This is somewhat off topic but none the less an interesting aspect of sustainable as food growing absorbs an insane amount of fossil fuel for both fertilizer and transport.

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Tepary beans are one of the most heat- and drought-tolerant crops in the world. Their incredible adaptations allow these plants to grow in extreme temperatures, intense sunlight, and with minimal water. And they might just be the sustainable future of food.


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Jude certainly wants a small produce garden and some fruit trees...I grew up with a big garden that provided for us and enough to sell a bit and while it seemed a burden at the time....still has some fond memories.

Dad was very fond of his garden and neighbors always commented it. Hated picking currents....rasberries...not so much. Jude will have to wean me off the 6 minute microwave dishes and 3 minute canned thick soups.. :roll:
Tonight's was particularly marginal...

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